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UndyingShadow
May 15, 2006
You're looking ESPECIALLY shadowy this evening, Sir

Ninja Rope posted:

I don't know how to do it from the FreeNAS UI, but "zpool status" (as root) would tell you.

I can SSH in and get to a shell. Thanks. I don't know anything about the actual ZFS commands


EDIT:
Looks okay:

code:
[root@freenas] ~# zpool status
  pool: data
 state: ONLINE
status: One or more devices is currently being resilvered.  The pool will
        continue to function, possibly in a degraded state.
action: Wait for the resilver to complete.
  scan: resilver in progress since Wed Jul 24 22:26:33 2013
        308G scanned out of 7.44T at 190M/s, 10h55m to go
        51.3G resilvered, 4.05% done

UndyingShadow fucked around with this message at 04:57 on Jul 25, 2013

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

I love the succulent taste of cop boots

I sent in a handful of WD Green 2.0 TB drives and they sent me back 3.0 TB NASWare drives. Are those basically Reds?

Also, any chance of them giving us 2.0 TB drives if we ask? I realize they are a free upgrade but we have external drive docks for offsite backups that only work with max 2.0 TB drives. I realize the real answer is to get newer docks, and we're pushing getting close to 1.7 TB in some of the backups anyway...

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003



Muldoon

Just contact them and they'll probably send you 2 TB if you really need it.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

ああ!彼からのメールだ!

College Slice

IOwnCalculus was right, I should just put the FreeNAS host on a USB stick.

Current shopping list:
Intel G2020
Supermicro X9SCM-IIF
8GB of DDR3 ECC
4x WD Reds in a RAID-Z2 pool
A PSU that's Platinum 80

I don't think I'm missing anything, but I feel this should be solid as a rock. Thanks, thread.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





I'd never heard of that particular board - that's a nice selection of PCIe slots for a microATX box.

Nice thing with the SM boards is that you end up with one proper USB port on the board itself, so you can somewhat more cleanly stick the USB drive you boot FreeNAS from inside the chassis rather than hanging behind it.

Marvel
Jun 9, 2010


I just put in an order for a G8 HP miniserver. I think I'll just put FreeNAS or Nas4Free on running bare metal, since I'm not sure if I trust the ESXi SATA raw access hack.

HP claims it will ship on the 29th. I'll let you know how it goes.

Marvel fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Jul 26, 2013

Krakkles
May 5, 2003

like and subscribe for more passive-aggressive roadway bullshit adventure in Chigcao

I've got FreeNAS setup on an HP N40L, and for a while, it was working great. I had time machine on my MBP running to it wirelessly, which I loved.

Recently, though, the MBP seems to not be able to see the FreeNAS box by name - "freenas" on my local network. It *can* connect via IP (which is the same as it's always been). What would cause this? Is there anything I can do?

D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009



Assuming the server is using a static IP which it should be, add an entry to your hosts-file.

D. Ebdrup fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jul 27, 2013

Ebjan
Feb 20, 2004



I own a WD Sharespace NAS. After upgrading to version 2.3.02 I cannot connect using WebDAV anymore, only FTP.
Does anybody have any advice how I can approach this problem?

spoof
Jul 8, 2004


For those of you running Crashplan off a NAS, how much tinkering do you need to do with it when CP updates its client? I've seen ways to get it working on Synology and FreeNAS but neither are technically supported. I'm looking to put together something for my parents so the less future intervention the better. NAS beats leaving their desktop and htpc on, for the initial seed if nothing else.

Options I'm looking at right now:
DS213j. 512MB RAM and float point support seems to make this a better option over the 212j. The 214+ is supposed to have 1GB of RAM when it comes out (sometime this fall) but it'll be another $100 and I'd rather not wait too long because I'm moving across the country. This guide looks pretty comprehensive, and it's a nice package install. Future updates are at the mercy of one community developer though.

N54L (N40L seems to be ~same price). There's a guide for getting crashplan on FreeNAS and at least it should update nicely. I've never used BSD or zfs before. Synology has a nicer UI (has a UI) so they may be able to do basic things themselves.

A more supported, and better integrated into their network, option might just be to run win8 on the N54L since WHS is dead. Win8 has some concept of storage pools, I think, though I've never tried it. The other 2 PCs are both win8 (or will be when all is said and done). This should let me run a Plex server on there relatively easily as well, though it won't transcode 1080p, and a VPN endpoint in a VM so I can get on their network.

I guess what I'm looking for:
- Crashplan for let's say a hundred GB
- At least 2 bay (3TB Red drives)
- As little future intervention as possible
- Notification is hardware or software detects an error to me and/or them
- App-accessible (they have a Nexus 7) should also be a nice bonus

Ultimately I'd like to get Plex running on their network too, but is it a good idea to try to kill two birds with one stone here? None of appliance NASes are really powerful enough to do transcoding.

Heners_UK
Jun 1, 2002


DashingGentleman posted:

I use aufs for pooling. This leaves the drives individually accessible but adds an extra mount point which treats them as one big partition. Mhddfs is another option that allows this and snapraid includes a pooling solution of its own these days, but I haven't tried it and have no idea how well it's implemented.

Just a question about that, how do you hand the automatic mounting of the AuFS mount? I was looking at adding it to fstab, but it appears that's not executed sequentially (e.g. the aufs line could be executed before the drives are mounted - resulting in a failure)?

Edit: mount command in rc . local appears to do the job... But if there is a better way let me know. I might have to take some of this to the Linux thread.

Heners_UK fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Jul 29, 2013

Odette
Mar 19, 2011



I'm running into a weird issue with my FreeNAS box where any connection to it via any Windows client will cause the connection to drop out within 2 or 3 minutes. This doesn't happen with Linux or OSX clients.

Crackbone
May 23, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 30 hours!


Nap Ghost

Looking for some advice on which drives to buy. I'll be doing a Windows-based set up with Drive Bender, probably just mirroring two drives. This will be strictly for media storage. Is there anything in the 3 TB range that's considered a best buy?

Civil
Apr 21, 2003

Do you see this? This means "Have a nice day".

Crackbone posted:

Looking for some advice on which drives to buy. I'll be doing a Windows-based set up with Drive Bender, probably just mirroring two drives. This will be strictly for media storage. Is there anything in the 3 TB range that's considered a best buy?

http://www.amazon.com/WD-Red-NAS-Ha.../dp/B008JJLW4M/

WD Red drives are the usual go-to recommendation, due to their suitability to this type of usage, low power consumption, reliability, and warranty.

Get them from amazon, apparently Newegg drop-kicks theirs into the UPS truck.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Fun Shoe

Crackbone posted:

Looking for some advice on which drives to buy. I'll be doing a Windows-based set up with Drive Bender, probably just mirroring two drives. This will be strictly for media storage. Is there anything in the 3 TB range that's considered a best buy?

I've used both the WD Reds and the Seagate 3TBs in builds, it's easier to find the latter on sale but they are a tad louder than the Reds.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



I've just bought a Synology DS112j. My impressions are somewhat mixed. It seems a bit underpowered for what I had in mind for it. But then again, so is my internet connection, so it never was going to be anyway.

Is there some Linux Live CD that supports the filesystem it uses out of the box? I want to speed up copying data onto the drive a bit by temporarily connecting both drives to an old computer. Currently I have my old external drives connected through the usb ports on the back of the diskstation and copying is s-l-o-o-o-o-w.

Hadlock
Nov 9, 2004





How does Windows Server 2012 R2 Standard handle spinning up/down drives in a tiered storage pool? If I have a HDD tier storage pool with parity that is X GB, and a SSD tier storage pool that is 128gb,

If keep my Steamapps\common files in my storage pool and I play TF2 every day, will it load TF2 from the SSD without spinning up the HDD storage pool, or will the machine spin up all the drives in the storage pool just to read from the SSD?

no go on Quiznos
May 16, 2007
Why?

Pork Pro

Flipperwaldt posted:

I've just bought a Synology DS112j. My impressions are somewhat mixed. It seems a bit underpowered for what I had in mind for it. But then again, so is my internet connection, so it never was going to be anyway.

Is there some Linux Live CD that supports the filesystem it uses out of the box? I want to speed up copying data onto the drive a bit by temporarily connecting both drives to an old computer. Currently I have my old external drives connected through the usb ports on the back of the diskstation and copying is s-l-o-o-o-o-w.

Define s-l-o-o-o-o-w. I have a 212j and I'm right now averaging 4MB/s for a Time Machine Backup over Wi-Fi.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Silver95280 posted:

Define s-l-o-o-o-o-w. I have a 212j and I'm right now averaging 4MB/s for a Time Machine Backup over Wi-Fi.
It took 11 hours to transfer 200GB from an external drive in an usb enclosure, through the usb cable, straight into the diskstation. So it's not passing through the network at all. If my math is right, that's about 5MB/s, roughly. That was video. It was worse when the content was a bunch of smaller files. And I still got several of these jobs to go.

During the whole time it's copying in this fashion, the diskstation's cpu is maxed out.

When connected to a Windows machine, these external drives usually hit 15-25MB/s (they're usb 2.0), so three to five times as fast. Using this and sending the data over the network isn't really an option since the only really operational computer I have here is connected through Wifi g and it's a laptop, so having an external drive connected for hours would really cut down on the mobility I have throughout the house.


What I'm figuring is that if I open up both enclosures and connect both drives directly to the SATA ports on an old motherboard just to seed the data I want on the diskstation, things will speed up considerably. What I don't know is whether it will break things for the diskstation if it isn't 'aware' data has been added and if the drive will simply be accessible at all in the first place in some sort of Linux OS or something.

no go on Quiznos
May 16, 2007
Why?

Pork Pro

Flipperwaldt posted:

What I'm figuring is that if I open up both enclosures and connect both drives directly to the SATA ports on an old motherboard just to seed the data I want on the diskstation, things will speed up considerably. What I don't know is whether it will break things for the diskstation if it isn't 'aware' data has been added and if the drive will simply be accessible at all in the first place in some sort of Linux OS or something.

The filesystem it uses is ext4. You only have 1 internal HD (No RAID stuff to worry about), so it should be fine.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Silver95280 posted:

The filesystem it uses is ext4. You only have 1 internal HD (No RAID stuff to worry about), so it should be fine.
Cool, thanks. I'm going to give it a shot once the workaround to generate photo thumbnails through a real computer has finished. Apparently letting the diskstation generate ~20000 of them would have taken months.

I'm sorry for the whining; I should have done a bit more research beforehand. I guess for the price it's all reasonable enough.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002


If I have 4 drives hanging off a m1015 in target mode and have them in a mdadm array, will that array translate fine to onboard SATA ports?

I upgraded to an IVB i5 and I have my old i3 that I'd like to repurpose for my plex/nas box, and basically, I don't really care about ECC/a dedicated controller anymore (current setup is 8 gigs of ECC, a C2D 6xxx series CPU and a Supermicro motherboard.

Ill get way better transcodes and probably a lower power usage to boot.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Should be fine, mdraid (as well as ZFS) don't give a flying fuck as long as it shows up as a hard drive somewhere.

Gibfender
Apr 15, 2007

Electricity In Our Homes

I have two external hard drives at the moment

- Hard Drive 1: 3tb formatted NTFS that contains all of my media files
- Hard Drive 2: 2tb empty - not formatted at all

My end goal is to have both hard drives formatted ext4 with the same media files on both. I want to be able to plug either of the drives into my router (ASUS RT-N56U with custom firmware) and have the files accessible through network share by my mac, pc and Boxee box.

Whats the best way to go about this?

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002


IOwnCalculus posted:

Should be fine, mdraid (as well as ZFS) don't give a flying fuck as long as it shows up as a hard drive somewhere.

Thanks, now I'm just waiting on a deal on a H77 mobo.

wang souffle
Apr 26, 2002


Has anyone attempted to run SmartOS as the base for a NAS? At first glance it seems like an almost-perfect solution for NAS+VM servers, but the architecture doesn't make it easy. For example, NFS must be run in the non-persistent global zone which does not keep users between reboots.

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007

Sweet 'N Sour
Can't
Melt
Steel Beams


wang souffle posted:

Has anyone attempted to run SmartOS as the base for a NAS? At first glance it seems like an almost-perfect solution for NAS+VM servers, but the architecture doesn't make it easy. For example, NFS must be run in the non-persistent global zone which does not keep users between reboots.

That's a Solaris limitation, becuase the NFS server lives in the kernel it can only be run from the global zone. I think there are some userland NFS servers that exist.

Gendo
Feb 25, 2001

His place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

Has anyone here built an array with 4TB drives? The Seagate 4TB NAS drives just dropped to 209.99 which makes them a better deal in terms of cost per gig than the 3TB WD Reds. I'm just nervous about the prospect of rebuild times for an array with 4TB members.

I'm going to be putting them in a Synology device (either the DS1812+ or DS1813+). Probably in a RAID-10 array.

Novo
May 13, 2003

Stercorem pro cerebro habes

Soiled Meat

wang souffle posted:

Has anyone attempted to run SmartOS as the base for a NAS? At first glance it seems like an almost-perfect solution for NAS+VM servers, but the architecture doesn't make it easy. For example, NFS must be run in the non-persistent global zone which does not keep users between reboots.

I've been living with a SmartOS NAS at home for the last several months and it's mostly great. I am pretty much the only user, and I've found myself really wishing that the root zone was persistent because I like to do things like set my time zone, and have ssh keys and cron jobs and stuff without writing a custom SMF manifest to copy those things back on startup. I do a lot of web development so the tools around KVM and zones are pretty handy. It's kind of shitty having to refer to all your VMs by UUID, but at least all the commands have tab completion.

The most annoying problem I've run into is that every few weeks the network connections stop working until I reboot. This may be due to the IPMI feature on the motherboard playing fast and loose with one of the ethernet ports, or it may be a problem in SmartOS.

I'm seriously considering switching to OmniOS so that I can have the best of both worlds -- KVM and a persistent root zone. Heck, I'm almost considering installing Solaris 11.

Gibfender
Apr 15, 2007

Electricity In Our Homes

Illuminati by Nature posted:

I have two external hard drives at the moment

- Hard Drive 1: 3tb formatted NTFS that contains all of my media files
- Hard Drive 2: 2tb empty - not formatted at all

My end goal is to have both hard drives formatted ext4 with the same media files on both. I want to be able to plug either of the drives into my router (ASUS RT-N56U with custom firmware) and have the files accessible through network share by my mac, pc and Boxee box.

Whats the best way to go about this?

Anyone? Or is there a better thread to ask in?

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Read back a few pages, but I don't see that there's a commonly favorite solution for doing a dynamic storage pool on the easy? I'd like to build a box with 4-6 drives and redundancy, but also have the ability to remove and replace drives with larger later on and still have the storage in a unified pool. It looks like ZFS can do this all day, but does a product have a clean and idiot-proof front end to manage all of this?

edit: If the situation is that a ZFS pool cannot add drives after the fact, that's fine as long as I can increase storage by replacing them.

edit 2: never mind, I just needed to do some more reading: http://doc.freenas.org/index.php/Vo...ed_Drive_or_SSD

AlternateAccount fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Aug 6, 2013

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007

Sweet 'N Sour
Can't
Melt
Steel Beams


The pool size with ZFS is fixed, but you can replace drives with bigger drives to increase capacity.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Another dumb question:

If I am going to use a ZFS pool, I would not be doing any sort of RAID configuration on my controller. Unless I was doing something weird like ZFS pooling a stack of RAID-0s or RAID-1s, but that's not the idea.
So my controller expense is really based more around cache and operations and performance and that's it, I wouldn't really have any interest in its inherent RAID capabilities, since the redundancy is handled inside the ZFS vdev, right?

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007

Sweet 'N Sour
Can't
Melt
Steel Beams


The only thing you want out of a controller is to present the disks to the OS and get out of the way. You don't want cache, you just want raw disks presented to the OS. The IBM M1015 seems to be the current controller favorite, once you flash the firmware it's just a dumb controller that passes disks to the OS.

ClassH
Mar 18, 2008


AlternateAccount posted:

Read back a few pages, but I don't see that there's a commonly favorite solution for doing a dynamic storage pool on the easy? I'd like to build a box with 4-6 drives and redundancy, but also have the ability to remove and replace drives with larger later on and still have the storage in a unified pool. It looks like ZFS can do this all day, but does a product have a clean and idiot-proof front end to manage all of this?


Have you checked out FlexRaid? If you are against buying software you could use snapraid with drivebender/stablebit. For large media collections this is nice since only the drives being used will be spun up.

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

FISHMANPET posted:

The only thing you want out of a controller is to present the disks to the OS and get out of the way. You don't want cache, you just want raw disks presented to the OS. The IBM M1015 seems to be the current controller favorite, once you flash the firmware it's just a dumb controller that passes disks to the OS.

Thanks for the clarity.

ClassH posted:

Have you checked out FlexRaid? If you are against buying software you could use snapraid with drivebender/stablebit. For large media collections this is nice since only the drives being used will be spun up.

Nope, I'll look into this. Totally not above buying software, especially when it's less than half the cost of one of the disks in the system. Thanks.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

I love the succulent taste of cop boots

Gendo posted:

Has anyone here built an array with 4TB drives? The Seagate 4TB NAS drives just dropped to 209.99 which makes them a better deal in terms of cost per gig than the 3TB WD Reds. I'm just nervous about the prospect of rebuild times for an array with 4TB members.

I'm going to be putting them in a Synology device (either the DS1812+ or DS1813+). Probably in a RAID-10 array.

We have Synology 1511's and 3TB volumes rebuild in under 24 hours. The amount of WD Greens we've had fail lately would make me feel safer using 5x4TB in RAID 6 instead of 5x3TB in RAID 5.

telarium4
Jul 23, 2010


Edit: Problem solved. Apparently I did install FreeNAS to that 11th harddrive. God knows why - clearly I wasn't paying careful attention.

Ok, I'm running into an interesting problem that I haven't been able to resolve.

Essentially, I built a FreeNAS box - and loaded 9.1.0-BETA on it. (This isn't anywhere near a mission critical box, or anything of the sort). Encryption, RAIDZ2, etc...everything worked fine.

9.1.0-RELEASE came out, time to upgrade: First, tried to upgrade via the GUI - no dice. Rebooted back into 9.1.0-BETA. Next, created a CD, booted from it, and did a 'Fresh Install' to the USB stick. Seemed to successfully install - yet still rebooted into 9.1.0-BETA. Lastly, created a fresh install to the USB stick given the instructions on the site. (Tried to carefully ensure that all the partitions on the USB stick were nuked.) Still rebooted into 9.1.0-BETA. Repeated the second and third processes with a new and different USB stick - 9.1.0-BETA still persists.

Now here's something interesting. I matched up the 10 serial numbers that FreeNAS was reporting to the 10 harddrives. Everything checks out. There is, however, an 11th harddrive of which FreeNAS is not reporting its serial number. So why not disconnect it, right? If I disconnect this drive - I get:



And if I reconnect it, everything boots fine back into 9.1.0-BETA.

If I remove the USB stick, and attempt to boot from that 11th harddrive (assuming I perhaps mistakenly installed FreeNAS to the harddrive), I get "This is a FreeNAS data disk and can not boot system. System halted."

Where am I going wrong in this upgrade process? I feel as though perhaps I'm not formatting the USB stick correctly?

telarium4 fucked around with this message at 05:55 on Aug 7, 2013

Gendo
Feb 25, 2001

His place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat.

Bob Morales posted:

We have Synology 1511's and 3TB volumes rebuild in under 24 hours. The amount of WD Greens we've had fail lately would make me feel safer using 5x4TB in RAID 6 instead of 5x3TB in RAID 5.
That's good to hear. Thank you for the feedback. I'm going to be loading 8 of these monsters in one RAID-10 array.

Comradephate
Feb 28, 2009



College Slice

I am looking to build my own SAN so I can cluster my hypervisors, but I am not really sure where to start.

I imagine I'll want at least 3-4Gbps of throughput, so I imagine my choices are bonding a 4 port NIC on each hypervisor just for storage, or looking into significantly more spendy 10gigE hardware.

Beyond that though, what kind of hardware do I need? For a single storage device SAN do I pretty much just set up a low power computer with a mess of disks and NICs for FCoE?

I guess I am just having trouble conceptualizing the actual things I will need to buy.

E: and also a separate switch for the storage network, I suppose, since I don't have a managed 1gig or 10gig switch that I can split a bunch of ports onto another VLAN.

Comradephate fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Aug 8, 2013

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