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Civil
Apr 21, 2003

Do you see this? This means "Have a nice day".

Death Himself posted:

Just got this set up, was quick and painless.

The only thing is I swear I set it up to be RAID 1 but in their (really cool) psuedo-desktop software it says it's "Synology Hybrid RAID (SHR) (With data protection of 1 disk fault-tolerance)" so uhh.. I assume that's what they are calling RAID 1? As long as my shit is safe I don't care but it's odd.

The hybrid RAID means you can migrate one disk to 3 or 4TB when you need more space, wait for the system to sync data, then upgrade the other disk once the sync is finished. But your total redundant capacity will only ever be as big as the smaller disk.

Don't completely assume your shit is safe, though. A hardware failure/power spike/cat could still wreck the entire setup. Or you could accidentally delete a directory from your PC. If you get a large external drive, you can do regular backups via USB and then leave it offline until your next periodic backup. Or use a cloud backup service.

The point is, you're safe from a single disk failure, but not safe from everything.

Space Skeleton
Sep 28, 2004



Civil posted:

The point is, you're safe from a single disk failure, but not safe from everything.

Yep, that's what I'm looking for out of it. The NAS is going to be on all the time with a few people tossing important files onto it. Every now and then I'll be grabbing the whole thing and backing it up to an external HD which only gets turned on to make that backup.

fletcher
Jun 27, 2003

ken park is my favorite movie

Cybernetic Crumb

Death Himself posted:

Yep, that's what I'm looking for out of it. The NAS is going to be on all the time with a few people tossing important files onto it. Every now and then I'll be grabbing the whole thing and backing it up to an external HD which only gets turned on to make that backup.

Is your external drive stored in the same household as your NAS? Be sure to keep the external in some other physical location.

Space Skeleton
Sep 28, 2004



fletcher posted:

Is your external drive stored in the same household as your NAS? Be sure to keep the external in some other physical location.

Right now I keep it in an airtight fire safe.

theperminator
Sep 16, 2009

by Smythe


Fun Shoe

I ordered a G8 Microserver today to replace my N36L which is a Nas/general linux box
I've got an existing md raid5 array with 4 disks, is there any point getting an M1015 for it or will the onboard do?

I was thinking about migrating to hardware raid, because my bottleneck at the moment seems to be CPU. is it possible to enable raid 5 on the 1015 without the feature key?

D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009



The HP B120i controller on the G8 is only connected via pci-ex 2.0 x1 which has a maximum throughput of 4GBps, meaning 4x6Gbps will theoretically get bottlenecked if your demands are high enough.Apparently G8 Microserver only has 2x SATA6Gbps and 2x SATA2(3Gbps). It's also significiantly harder to fit a M1015+additional disks into a G8 Microserver on account of the ODD
What I'm trying to say, is; you don't need it unless you need SATA6Gbps.

As to using hardware raid, can I ask why you want it? Hardware raid requires you to use more or less the exact same controller as the one you have already if the raid controller/card ever dies and you need to replace it. Neither can you migrate from mdadm raid to hardware raid without rebuilding the array because mdadm raid and the m1015 raid aren't the same thing for a variety of reasons (including but not limited to where RAID information is stored and other factors, all of which can change not only from manefacturer to manefacturer but from model to model).

D. Ebdrup fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Oct 23, 2013

Longinus00
Dec 29, 2005
Ur-Quan

theperminator posted:

I ordered a G8 Microserver today to replace my N36L which is a Nas/general linux box
I've got an existing md raid5 array with 4 disks, is there any point getting an M1015 for it or will the onboard do?

I was thinking about migrating to hardware raid, because my bottleneck at the moment seems to be CPU. is it possible to enable raid 5 on the 1015 without the feature key?

What sort of CPU usage are you seeing with RAID5? RAID5 is pretty low overhead, XORs are cheap. With 4 hard drives the cpu load is not going to be very high at all on any modern hardware.

Hambilderberglar
Dec 2, 2004



D. Ebdrup posted:

Apparently G8 Microserver only has 2x SATA6Gbps and 2x SATA2(3Gbps). It's also significiantly harder to fit a M1015+additional disks into a G8 Microserver on account of the ODD
The g8 I received did not come with an ODD in place, the space reserved for it is more than big enough for a 2.5 inch disk though.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

theperminator posted:

I was thinking about migrating to hardware raid, because my bottleneck at the moment seems to be CPU. is it possible to enable raid 5 on the 1015 without the feature key?
How are you determining that the CPU is the bottleneck and is it possible that something else is causing the RAID to act up? I ran an mdraid RAID5 array on an N36L for a couple years and never had a problem with mdraid's userland (or kernel) processes taking up a lot of CPU. What did take up CPU was the instant I put on other software like sabnzbd, sickbeard, etc. and when running PAR2 I got hosed. Also, lack of RAM can cause CPU to spike.

D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009



Hambilderberglar posted:

The g8 I received did not come with an ODD in place, the space reserved for it is more than big enough for a 2.5 inch disk though.
Can it fit a Icy Dock MB996SP-6SB?

EDIT: ↓ Well, poop.

D. Ebdrup fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Oct 23, 2013

Krailor
Nov 2, 2001
I'm only pretending to care

Taco Defender


No, the G8 only has space for a slim ODD, it doesn't have a standard 5.25 bay like the NxL versions do.

considerably
May 24, 2007



necrobobsledder posted:

How are you determining that the CPU is the bottleneck and is it possible that something else is causing the RAID to act up? I ran an mdraid RAID5 array on an N36L for a couple years and never had a problem with mdraid's userland (or kernel) processes taking up a lot of CPU. What did take up CPU was the instant I put on other software like sabnzbd, sickbeard, etc. and when running PAR2 I got hosed. Also, lack of RAM can cause CPU to spike.

Was it the fact that it was doing the RAID mirroring simultaneously as handling the unRARing/whatever that caused the bottlenecking? If so, then if I have all of those apps running off of a 5th drive (mounted in ODD bay) that is not part of the 4 drive storage RAID (and just moving everything after the fact via post processing), would it avoid making my N54L hate itself?

I'm trying to plan my own setup, and above is what I'm currently thinking.

Hambilderberglar
Dec 2, 2004



D. Ebdrup posted:

Can it fit a Icy Dock MB996SP-6SB?

EDIT: ↓ Well, poop.

http://i.imgur.com/wXCBTfL.jpg
Here's a picture of a 2.5 inch disk (300gb velociraptor, if Z height is of concern) in the space for the ODD, to give you an idea of what *would* fit.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

I have now likely killed motherboard #2 after attempting a reboot . Microcenter ran out of the Gigabyte Z87 boards, so I had to choose between the ASrock and MSI models in stock. After another test, I've found that FreeNAS 9.1 doesn't work with either the USB or NICs there. I believe that at the current point in time, if you are doing a lower-hassle mini ITX LGA 1150 build for FreeNAS you should get a Gigabyte board or this C226 board from ASrock. In fact, I've reported a bug to the FreeNAS project. But yes indeed, Newegg has both the C224/C226 ASRock mini ITX boards in stock finally

I ordered the ASRock C224 and two day shipped it, fuck ever touching this machine's guts ever again, I'd rather deal with the wife watching Twilight for days because the NAS is down and she can't get her usual Halloween movie fix in. That's how much I'm hating on this case now having spent far too much time than it's worth from repeat hardware failures.

Fuck computers, die in a fab facility fire.

considerably posted:

Was it the fact that it was doing the RAID mirroring simultaneously as handling the unRARing/whatever that caused the bottlenecking? If so, then if I have all of those apps running off of a 5th drive (mounted in ODD bay) that is not part of the 4 drive storage RAID (and just moving everything after the fact via post processing), would it avoid making my N54L hate itself?
That will not help for CPU usage - some may argue worse by fault of having to transfer the uncompressed data twice. My unpack and download directory was on an SSD outside the RAID - PAR2 murders the CPU on the Microservers up to the latest, which I think could handle it ok. I'm not sure what the actual throughput on processing was, but I know that the N36L that I had got pegged at max CPU use for the single core that PAR2 runs off of and the SSD wasn't the bottleneck (it's not multithreaded by default). Perhaps with a slower hard drive PAR2 could have been I/O bottlenecked, but I have a crappy, slower 60GB SSD.

Also, only RAID5+ or parity / Hamming code checking proprietary RAIDs will use any measurable CPU because otherwise it's just two I/O requests to n different drives in parallel and waiting for both to return success. Parity / partial redundancy based RAID isn't mirroring, it's more like Voldemort's horcruxes aside from the purpose of parity blocks being to restore any of the other blocks and the Harry Potter series would have had an issue finishing on any good note if horcruxes regenerated each other if you didn't destroy two or more at a time.

Fuck me that's awful. Lack of sleep does strange things to my brain.

theperminator
Sep 16, 2009

by Smythe


Fun Shoe

I think you're right, it's not the CPU. i've been running a reshape to add another drive and it's taken 23 hours so far, not bottlenecked by the CPU so I'm guessing the SATA controller.

The reshape has completed, I added another drive to the raid set.

I ran a bonnie benchmark with default settings, here are the results:
code:
Version  1.96       ------Sequential Output------ --Sequential Input- --Random-
Concurrency   1     -Per Chr- --Block-- -Rewrite- -Per Chr- --Block-- --Seeks--
Machine        Size K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP K/sec %CP  /sec %CP
Microserver     16G   350  97 75264  30 43285  13  1698  77 106220  12 665.3  32
Latency             92433us     461ms    1021ms   89082us     281ms     270ms
Version  1.96       ------Sequential Create------ --------Random Create--------
Microserver         -Create-- --Read--- -Delete-- -Create-- --Read--- -Delete--
              files  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP  /sec %CP
                 16 12454  26 +++++ +++ 32373  51 30353  60 +++++ +++ 30692  47
Latency             17435us    1240us    1579us     525us     155us   59638us

theperminator fucked around with this message at 03:23 on Oct 25, 2013

bacon!
Dec 10, 2003

The fierce urgency of now

Is it worth waiting for the black friday timeframe for NAS gear? Does this kind of stuff typically go on sale (Xeons, ECC ram) or does it tend to be the consumer oriented stuff? I never pay attention to server part prices.

kill your idols
Sep 11, 2003

by T. Finninho


bacon! posted:

Is it worth waiting for the black friday timeframe for NAS gear? Does this kind of stuff typically go on sale (Xeons, ECC ram) or does it tend to be the consumer oriented stuff? I never pay attention to server part prices.

Drives should be part of the sales. I remember last year externals were at a nice price point, and people were just ripping open the enclosures to fill their huge server chassis. For long as I can remember, I don't recall seeing anything from Newegg hitting my inbox about cheap Xeons, or ECC ram, besides the usual coupons and normal deals:

http://promotions.newegg.com/NEemai...dex-_-E0-_-All&
15% all SERVER CASES!
15% off SELECT SERVER MOTHERBOARDS!
10% off SELECT SERVER RAM!

I never saw a 'DoorBuster' DYI Server deal. Black Friday is still at late October.

fletcher
Jun 27, 2003

ken park is my favorite movie

Cybernetic Crumb

kill your idols posted:

people were just ripping open the enclosures to fill their huge server chassis.

Doesn't this void the warranty?

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

Black Friday / Cyber Monday is a consumer thing mostly, yes, I would be shocked to see anyone even make a hint of touching pricing on those as a result of the holiday season consumer spending pattern. Most of the enterprise crap is timed somewhat to different companies' end of fiscal calendars (companies buying tons of stuff en masse for massive datacenter rollouts). Intel also doesn't really put Xeons on sale exactly even in those cases, they may do a small price drop when something is released, but only maybe a couple weeks afterward.

kill your idols
Sep 11, 2003

by T. Finninho


fletcher posted:

Doesn't this void the warranty?

I believe so. When opening an enclosure the disk is screwed in with a bunch of 'void is removed' tape or screws.


This thing is pretty cool. DIY arcade machine? Anime Kiosk? Overkill Picture Frame?



http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16811112405

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG
Mar 2, 2005





Ramrod XTreme

The WD Red 3TB just price dropped to the lowest it has ever been on Amazon and Newegg. No sales tax w/ Newegg (at least in Texas), but I'm wary of how they ship their drives.

30 TO 50 FERAL HOG fucked around with this message at 05:37 on Oct 29, 2013

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

I LIKE TO MOVE IT


BiohazrD posted:

The WD Red 3TB just price dropped to the lowest it has ever been on Amazon and Newegg. No sales tax w/ Newegg (at least in Texas), but I'm wary of how they ship their drives.

Tiger Direct also has them for $110 after a $30 MIR.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...p?EdpNo=3580092

I am hoping I can get some during Black Friday for a litle cheaper.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Looks like the Amazon / Newegg Red deals are dead, but Newegg has the Seagate 3TB NAS for $125 after coupon.

bacon!
Dec 10, 2003

The fierce urgency of now

Newegg has the 4TB Red on sale for $179 today (code EMCWXTW22), but based on advice in this thread I'm going to hope Amazon matches it

Gozinbulx
Feb 19, 2004


Showing $199 here for me. Maybe it one of those automated "hey we know youve been looking at these so we'll drop the price for you" emails?

bacon!
Dec 10, 2003

The fierce urgency of now

Gozinbulx posted:

Showing $199 here for me. Maybe it one of those automated "hey we know youve been looking at these so we'll drop the price for you" emails?

It could be, but if so I am really impressed! Its the MONSTER DEAL HUNTERS Halloween sale and it looks like a featured item. Did the code not work for you?

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

Most of those codes require you to be subscribed to their mailing list to work in the first place.

Gozinbulx
Feb 19, 2004


I get emails from them all the time so I assume I am on their list. No I havent gotten it.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

~this is me posting irl~


I know Newegg doesn't have great HDD shipping practices, but if anyone wants to roll the dice, they're offering Toshiba 3TB drives for $99.


EDIT: Didn't notice initially, the Toshiba drive is in retail packaging so Newegg's packing shouldn't be an issue on this one.

Farmer Crack-Ass fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Nov 1, 2013

Civil
Apr 21, 2003

Do you see this? This means "Have a nice day".

Farmer Crack-Ass posted:

I know Newegg doesn't have great HDD shipping practices, but if anyone wants to roll the dice, they're offering Toshiba 3TB drives for $99.


EDIT: Didn't notice initially, the Toshiba drive is in retail packaging so Newegg's packing shouldn't be an issue on this one.

I got a couple of them (from Newegg) about a month ago. They are indeed 3TB hard drives and are happily whirring away in my Synology box.

They have a 3 yr warranty, if you care about that sort of thing.

Minty Swagger
Sep 8, 2005

Ribbit Ribbit Real Good


Has anyone been using Windows Server 2012 R2? If so is the storage spaces setup acceptable now?

Mr Crucial
Oct 28, 2005
What's new pussycat?

Minty Swagger posted:

Has anyone been using Windows Server 2012 R2? If so is the storage spaces setup acceptable now?

I tried it with 4x Seagate 3GB drives in a parity space. All went well until I rebooted after a Windows update, when 2 of my drives mysteriously disappeared thus destroying the array and losing all my data. I never figured out why it happened - nothing wrong with the drives physically or anything like that, no obvious causal errors in the event viewer, they just dropped out. Granted I could have made a boneheaded mistake, or my drives may not have been supported or something, but it's put me off for now.

I re-installed FlexRAID and stuck with that, not had any problems since.

Aside from problems like mine, I think the biggest issue with Storage Spaces is that no-one seems to be using it. There's a very limited community around it and the Microsoft forums are largely devoid of any discussion of real-world use of it, so there's no where to turn if you need help. Plus there are no data recovery tools available yet for ReFS if you go with that as your file system.

Mr Crucial fucked around with this message at 11:45 on Nov 4, 2013

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

I love the succulent taste of cop boots

By hermetically sealing hard drives and filling them with helium, Hitachi has crammed 7 platters inside a regular-height 3.5" drive to create a 6TB drive. They are shipping today but apparently if you don't work at a storage company or CDN you're not going to be able to buy one.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...mp_capacity_50_

kiwid
Sep 30, 2013



Anyone know of a way to check a md5 hash on a file on FreeNAS via cli. md5sum doesn't seem to be installed so is there something else?

Moxie Omen
Mar 15, 2008



kiwid posted:

Anyone know of a way to check a md5 hash on a file on FreeNAS via cli. md5sum doesn't seem to be installed so is there something else?

code:
cat file | md5
?

kiwid
Sep 30, 2013



Moxie Omen posted:

code:
cat file | md5
?

Awesome, thanks!

Megaman
May 8, 2004
I didn't read the thread BUT...

Bob Morales posted:

By hermetically sealing hard drives and filling them with helium, Hitachi has crammed 7 platters inside a regular-height 3.5" drive to create a 6TB drive. They are shipping today but apparently if you don't work at a storage company or CDN you're not going to be able to buy one.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...mp_capacity_50_



Yet? Or ever?

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

Megaman posted:

Yet? Or ever?
These drives will eventually make their way down to us IF they're able to scale manufacturing well to fit the cost characteristics of the consumer market (which is increasingly around SSDs / flash for mobile use though). On the other hand, consumers never got 15k RPM hard disks like enterprise has had for nearly a decade now. But lower power use and greater disk density / platters is always nice to have for consumer stuff anyway. If these are a huge hit in SANs and among the big boys, we can expect to get at least 5 platters in green models, for example, but perhaps not the whole package of improvements that everyone on the enterprise side got. Storage even in SANs / Big Data stuff has been disrupted very much by specifically Fusion IO, which is basically a PCI-E SSD manufacturer, so hard drives might not be compelling enough to keep interest in consumer hard drive improvements.

I think that by the time 6TB hard disks are like $150 or so, we'll be on 4K video at home though. The flooding in Thailand really, really messed with the consumer hard drive market and cost us maybe 3 years of price / performance improvements.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

When exactly did Western Digital buy Hitachi's storage division?!

Odette
Mar 19, 2011



Combat Pretzel posted:

When exactly did Western Digital buy Hitachi's storage division?!

March, 2012.

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