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Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


Question: What is this (NetApp FAS3220 Service Processor 111-01061 w/ NVRAM, 12GB RAM )?
It looks like it is a full computer, with CPU and RAM and stuff, whats the use case for it? It is better or worse than a plain disk array?

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

I LIKE TO MOVE IT


A controller for one of their NAS units.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Yeah I'd stay away from the actual Netapp filers, as far as I know they're heavily locked down to Netapp's proprietary software. The disk shelves are just rebranded Xyratex units, as are Dell Compellent.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


IOwnCalculus posted:

Yeah I'd stay away from the actual Netapp filers, as far as I know they're heavily locked down to Netapp's proprietary software. The disk shelves are just rebranded Xyratex units, as are Dell Compellent.

Yeah and without the license you have what amounts to a paperweight. Those are being sold for parts basically, or people who run them illegally.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

Bote McBoteface. so what


Volguus posted:

What is a decent multi-drive (5+) enclosure that one could connect to an already existing computer? Under $200 or so if possible. Is USB the only connectivity option or are there more speedy and enterprisey options, while keeping cost down?

Something like this might suffice.

Volguus posted:

My main beef (and why i call it slow) with my current NAS is that since I have gigabit internet i have started to download big files. Everything is over 15GB. All is cool and dandy, repairing and unpacking is done on the downloading machine, but then it comes time to copy it over to the NAS. And that takes longer than downloading it in the first place and that's just ridiculous. Mounted over samba I get 10MB/s or so. Plus, if it copies something and I play a movie from the NAS at that time sometimes I do get choppy playback, especially at very high qualities (40GB +) .

Is your existing NAS only Fast Ethernet?

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


Atomizer posted:

Is your existing NAS only Fast Ethernet?

It's gigabit. Now i tried from a windows machine to just see what speeds I get and windows can achieve 25MB/s . Still slow, but better. Linux however, what most of my machines are running, is just freaking slow at it. I'll play with the options to see if I can get anything more in Linux as well. I tried NFS instead of cifs a long time ago, i don't remember what the issues were with that protocol that i opted to revert to cifs. I know that the CPU on that NAS is quite low, but it should be able to handle gigabit-level speeds. The HDDs are all 7200 RPM.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


Volguus posted:

It's gigabit. Now i tried from a windows machine to just see what speeds I get and windows can achieve 25MB/s . Still slow, but better. Linux however, what most of my machines are running, is just freaking slow at it. I'll play with the options to see if I can get anything more in Linux as well. I tried NFS instead of cifs a long time ago, i don't remember what the issues were with that protocol that i opted to revert to cifs. I know that the CPU on that NAS is quite low, but it should be able to handle gigabit-level speeds. The HDDs are all 7200 RPM.

Your network is broken somewhere. Get iperf on both your NAS and various computers. Test your throuput using that and figure out the bottlenecks. I believe there is a windows version.

Or your NAS is impressively misconfigured.

My bet is that you have a 100mbps connection somewhere you don't realize, even if everything is allegedly gigabit. On Linux "ethtool" will tell you your link speed.

Zorak of Michigan
Jun 10, 2006

Waiting for his chance

25 megabytes per second would be 200 megabits, so if I'm reading the units right, it's not a 100 megabit per second link causing the problem.

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


ethtool on all the systems (including the NAS itself) reports 1000baseT/Full with the speed property as Speed: 1000Mb/s and Duplex: Full . Now, iperf did provide some interesting results:

From my machine to the NAS: 596 Mbits/sec
From the downloading machine to the NAS: 558 Mbits/sec

Does that look right? I understand that with all the overhead of TCP and the protocols on top of it will never get 1Gb/s but 55-60% isn't it a bit low?
After I'm fixing this then i'll look at the HDDs themselves, maybe there would be something to do there.

Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.



Oven Wrangler

I regularly get 110+ MBps on a gigabit link using Samba, so the protocol overhead is not nearly that big of a deal.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


Volguus posted:

ethtool on all the systems (including the NAS itself) reports 1000baseT/Full with the speed property as Speed: 1000Mb/s and Duplex: Full . Now, iperf did provide some interesting results:

From my machine to the NAS: 596 Mbits/sec
From the downloading machine to the NAS: 558 Mbits/sec

Does that look right? I understand that with all the overhead of TCP and the protocols on top of it will never get 1Gb/s but 55-60% isn't it a bit low?
After I'm fixing this then i'll look at the HDDs themselves, maybe there would be something to do there.

Iperf on an uncongested network should yield 900mpbs+. Did you turn off all of your garbage first? No one streaming anything? If so fire up a largely indefinite Iperf and look at the cpu on your router if you can, plus both sides of the Iperf connection. Anything pegged out? On Linux, is kirqd (I forget the name) pegged at 100%? Otherwise time to start diagramming your network.

Droo
Jun 25, 2003



Volguus posted:

ethtool on all the systems (including the NAS itself) reports 1000baseT/Full with the speed property as Speed: 1000Mb/s and Duplex: Full . Now, iperf did provide some interesting results:

From my machine to the NAS: 596 Mbits/sec
From the downloading machine to the NAS: 558 Mbits/sec

Does that look right? I understand that with all the overhead of TCP and the protocols on top of it will never get 1Gb/s but 55-60% isn't it a bit low?
After I'm fixing this then i'll look at the HDDs themselves, maybe there would be something to do there.

If I remember right some old cat5 (and maybe 5e if it got screwed up?) cables would max out around that speed, maybe there is an older cable in the mix somewhere.

I also had a weird problem that took me forever to figure out once, I was getting slow transfer speeds to my NAS and it turned out to be when i downloaded a torrent with a 256k block size it would get so fragmented on my computer drive that the read speed was actually the reason it was slow. Probably not your problem and easy enough to test using a big file on a SDD.

G-Prime
Apr 30, 2003

Baby, when it's love,
if it's not rough it isn't fun.


Poorly configured network with abnormally small packet sizes?

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


Well, speedtest.net itself does give me 930Mbps on a good day. Right now there's some netflix going on so I got 880. Hmm, I do have some older cat5 cables that I just reused . Maybe I should probably upgrade the cables first. And I have a few of them that I crimped myself, maybe I should get rid of them too and then start from there.

The network's topology is as follows:


As it can be seen, the topology follows a star pattern with that 16 port unmanaged TPLINK GB switch being in the middle of it all. The iperf speeds within the network are as follows:
Gateway to DLD machine: 924
Me to Gateway: 800
Me to DLD machine: 750
Me to NAS: 596
DLD Machine to NAS: 558

During a longer iperf test the NAS cpu went to 50%. It's an ARMv7 Processor rev 1 (v7l) so I dunno if it has multiple cores. Though, i did keep on seeing the cpu usage spike to 100% with the readynasd process being the culprit.
The house itself is wired with Cat6, so probably the cables that I have put in are affecting the network.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless You Ants, Blants



Fun Shoe

What is your current NAS? It might just be shit.

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


Thanks Ants posted:

What is your current NAS? It might just be shit.

It is shit: Netgear ReadyNAS 104. Which is why I was wondering if i could not get a different NAS, but maybe attach HDDs to one of the computers that I already have. The idea being that it could and should be cheaper that way.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Sipping harsh elixir,
the ice above us melting fast


I have a readynas RN204 with 2x WD 3tb reds in RAID1.

Lately, stuff I download to stream via plex to my Apple TV has been having artifacting/scrambled frames. Audio seems fine.

Playing the file from the nas on other devices or using other players like vlc has the same problem.

I redownloaded the same file and kept it locally on my machine and there was no issues.

I think I know the answer is yes, but one of my drives is failing, yeah? One of them is noisy on seek and sometimes the nas is slow to respond while it grinds away for like 10minutes . The disk health on the NAS shows both as fine. Overall volume health is in a warning state due to 5% free space, however this was not an issue prior.


The only thing I have changed is recently deleting a bunch of mp3s out of my library. Could this have caused some fragmentation and the video files being stored in the now free gaps cause these issues? Copying the files to my pc and playing them has the same problem.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg


I have a netgear RN2120 and I am getting what I think is a little over megabit ~130MB/sec transfers (5e cabling) when I am moving files between the NAS and PCs.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

Bote McBoteface. so what


Volguus posted:

It is shit: Netgear ReadyNAS 104. Which is why I was wondering if i could not get a different NAS, but maybe attach HDDs to one of the computers that I already have. The idea being that it could and should be cheaper that way.

It sounds like the issue has something to do with the NAS because the rest of the network seems fine, but you're still getting real-world performance far beneath what you should be. Try switching cables and ports as a quick troubleshooting measure. The HDDs could possibly be contributing to the issue. If, however, you're getting those 10-25 MB/s speeds when transferring lots of tiny files or ones that are heavily fragmented, that could be the issue. Especially since you mentioned lots of downloading, unpacking, and reassembling of files.

The literal cheapest upgrade you could make for NAS would be to repurpose as much of the equipment you already have, which may be as simple as getting a full tower case and putting the guts from one of your existing PCs in there so you have the room to add as many HDDs as necessary. If the above fragmentation issue does indeed turn out to be the problem then you'll experience the same thing though.

Laserface posted:

I have a readynas RN204 with 2x WD 3tb reds in RAID1.

Lately, stuff I download to stream via plex to my Apple TV has been having artifacting/scrambled frames. Audio seems fine.

Playing the file from the nas on other devices or using other players like vlc has the same problem.

I redownloaded the same file and kept it locally on my machine and there was no issues.

I think I know the answer is yes, but one of my drives is failing, yeah? One of them is noisy on seek and sometimes the nas is slow to respond while it grinds away for like 10minutes . The disk health on the NAS shows both as fine. Overall volume health is in a warning state due to 5% free space, however this was not an issue prior.


The only thing I have changed is recently deleting a bunch of mp3s out of my library. Could this have caused some fragmentation and the video files being stored in the now free gaps cause these issues? Copying the files to my pc and playing them has the same problem.

I actually just had a similar thing pointed out to me earlier tonight. Content streamed via Chromecast to the living room TV has this persistent artifacting/pixellation across the middle and bottom of the entire frame, but the same file streamed at the same time to a different device looks fine. It sounds like your situation is a bit different, and may very well have to do with file corruption due to failing HDDs. You probably can't see as much into the drive health while they're in the NAS, so consider temporarily transferring them to an external USB enclosure to troubleshoot? As always, I recommend HD Sentinel which can tell you a lot about drive health as well as perform diagnostics.

Atomizer fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Jan 20, 2019

D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009



slidebite posted:

I have a netgear RN2120 and I am getting what I think is a little over megabit ~130MB/sec transfers (5e cabling) when I am moving files between the NAS and PCs.
Are you doing something fancy with jumboframes above 9k? Because exceeding the speed of UDP on CAT5e is... impressive.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg


I lied. I just copied 32GB over and it was doing ~110-111 MB/sec.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

slidebite posted:

I lied. I just copied 32GB over and it was doing ~110-111 MB/sec.

That is about as much as anyone would see. Maybe a hair more with jumbo frames.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

I just built a little NAS box using one of these: Intel Server board with Haswell era Xeon 3.2Ghz quad and 8GB DDR3 ECC Memory. For a home person this is a pretty good deal $120 bux:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-S120...ld/123431007451

[edit] The fan is loud. Plan on replacing it.

redeyes fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Jan 20, 2019

CopperHound
Feb 14, 2012



Description says display port, picture says VGA. Which is it?

Fragrag
Aug 3, 2007
The Worst Admin Ever bashes You in the head with his banhammer. It is smashed into the body, an unrecognizable mass! You have been struck down.

Two bad sectors in one of my HDDs in my 2-bay Synology appeared one day so I initiated an advance RMA. I replaced the bad HDD with the one I received from WD and it's not appearing on the list of drives, although the disk light on the front of the Synology is on. So I did it again, maybe it wasn't seated in properly but same story. Then I put in the old drive and it did appear on the list, albeit degraded.

Barring purchasing a Sharkoon disk dock for this single purpose or opening up my mITX desktop and trying to see if it's detected there, is it safe to assume this disk is DOA and I should follow up my support ticket with "new drives broke"? Will they give me any shit if I do that?

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

CopperHound posted:

Description says display port, picture says VGA. Which is it?

?? It's a VGA; DisplayPort isn't mentioned anywhere. You're gonna struggle to find DP on even current boards, let alone one that old.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


Fragrag posted:

Barring purchasing a Sharkoon disk dock for this single purpose or opening up my mITX desktop and trying to see if it's detected there, is it safe to assume this disk is DOA and I should follow up my support ticket with "new drives broke"? Will they give me any shit if I do that?

If it's on the synology approved drives list just tell them your new disk isn't showing up. They shouldn't flinch at it.

apropos man
Sep 5, 2016

You get a hundred and forty one thousand years and you're out in eight!

What are the current options available for a small box that will run ECC RAM? It doesn't have to be fully registered server RAM. Just unbuffered ECC.

I currently have a ASRock Deskmini and would like something cutely as small to mess around with ZFS and BTRS on.

My home server runs unbuffered ECC but that's doing stuff and I don't wanna start erecting and destroying arrays all over the place on it.

I looked at the SuperMicro E200-8D but that's a bit pricey for a bit of home-labbing. Looks great, though.

There's also the option of getting a cheap socket AM1 mobo and an Athlon 5350 from eBay but I fancy something sub £300 that looks like a small unit that can be put away in a corner and administered remotely. And I could see that showing its age nowadays trying to run some fancy filesystems and snapshots.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!



apropos man posted:

What are the current options available for a small box that will run ECC RAM? It doesn't have to be fully registered server RAM. Just unbuffered ECC.

I currently have a ASRock Deskmini and would like something cutely as small to mess around with ZFS and BTRS on.

My home server runs unbuffered ECC but that's doing stuff and I don't wanna start erecting and destroying arrays all over the place on it.

I looked at the SuperMicro E200-8D but that's a bit pricey for a bit of home-labbing. Looks great, though.

There's also the option of getting a cheap socket AM1 mobo and an Athlon 5350 from eBay but I fancy something sub £300 that looks like a small unit that can be put away in a corner and administered remotely. And I could see that showing its age nowadays trying to run some fancy filesystems and snapshots.

This guy's more of a cube but it supports unbuffered ECC and is just over $300:
HPE Proliant MicroServer Gen10 X3421 Quad-Core 8GB 4LFF 200W 1-Year
https://www.provantage.com/hpe-p04923-s01~7HEWY2V8.htm

ServeTheHome review:
https://www.servethehome.com/amd-op...tom-competitor/

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

I MEAN, TURN OFF YOURE MONITOR, MIGTH EXPLAIN YOUR BAD POSTS, HOPE THIS HELPS?!

Rexxed posted:

This guy's more of a cube but it supports unbuffered ECC and is just over $300:
HPE Proliant MicroServer Gen10 X3421 Quad-Core 8GB 4LFF 200W 1-Year
https://www.provantage.com/hpe-p04923-s01~7HEWY2V8.htm

ServeTheHome review:
https://www.servethehome.com/amd-op...tom-competitor/

That looks great but no RAID 5/6 tho...

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!



Yeah but it's not needed if using ZFS, etc.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

I MEAN, TURN OFF YOURE MONITOR, MIGTH EXPLAIN YOUR BAD POSTS, HOPE THIS HELPS?!

Rexxed posted:

Yeah but it's not needed if using ZFS, etc.

Oh true. I missed that part and was thinking of myself.



Still, it might just be able to do Untangle and PiHole and act as a nas. It’s not like my needs are significant.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!



Here's the whole thread from ServeTheHome great deals forum, there's another model with a different CPU that costs $15 more as well. I haven't looked into it much because my N40L is going to last forever (heh):
https://forums.servethehome.com/ind...-8gb-316.23176/

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

I MEAN, TURN OFF YOURE MONITOR, MIGTH EXPLAIN YOUR BAD POSTS, HOPE THIS HELPS?!

Does AMD have an equivelent to Intel ARK?

E: https://www.amd.com/en/products/specifications I guess, kinda?

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!



Yeah seems like they gave these APUs the top of the opteron page:
https://www.amd.com/en/opteron

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003


Only thing to keep in mind with the Gen10s is if you plan on mounting an SSD up top that's a $20 addon that doesn't come in the box.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!



Sheep posted:

Only thing to keep in mind with the Gen10s is if you plan on mounting an SSD up top that's a $20 addon that doesn't come in the box.
I wonder if there's more to it than the bracket and cables. It looks like it's just it's a sata power splitter cable and a sata cable. I wonder if the cables are proprietary because you can 3d print brackets or just mount a SSD with a 3m removable adhesive squares or whatever. Might not be bad to pick up that kit just to not have to find a decent sata power splitter cable online. After the molex to sata power cable adapter bursting into flames debacle of the last couple of years getting a decent cable is probably worth the small price premium. Just basing my post on the image here:
https://www.cdw.com/product/hpe-sff...ent-kit/4679660

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Hm, I would like the extra power of a Xeon D but those APUs are nice. Since converting my 2500K over to unraid 24/7 duties I have noticed a bit of a jump in my electric bill and would be nice to get something lower powered.

I underclocked it but haven’t kill-a-watt’d it yet (need to find mine) to see how much it draws. Could be something else drawing power too but it’s the one major change from last year I can think of (usage is 25% more than last year).

Moey
Oct 22, 2010

I LIKE TO MOVE IT


I hate how those Gen10 microservers are AMD chips. I am in the process of building a Gen8 box. Upgraded CPU to e3-1275, going to toss in 16gb ram and I have an lsi 9280-4i4e that is going in there as well. Gonna wedge some SSDs inside off the LSI card.

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003


Rexxed posted:

I wonder if there's more to it than the bracket and cables. It looks like it's just it's a sata power splitter cable and a sata cable. I wonder if the cables are proprietary because you can 3d print brackets or just mount a SSD with a 3m removable adhesive squares or whatever. Might not be bad to pick up that kit just to not have to find a decent sata power splitter cable online. After the molex to sata power cable adapter bursting into flames debacle of the last couple of years getting a decent cable is probably worth the small price premium. Just basing my post on the image here:
https://www.cdw.com/product/hpe-sff...ent-kit/4679660

The uh .. hardware? I guess you'd call it on top of the drive cage where the SFF mount goes is very weirdly formed and requires you to buy the SFF package I linked in order to get the bracket that slides in that actually allows you to mount an SSD or whatever in there. Without that bracket you can't really mount things properly. There is also a power cable converter cable thing in there as well which you've noted, but the real thing you need is that bracket that inexplicably doesn't come with the chassis.

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