- Nulldevice
- Jun 17, 2006
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Hi all-knowledgeable NAS goons! I've asked a few questions in this thread before and got some great advice (which I ultimately have never used due to various reasons). But I have a new set of questions so I can confirm what I'm thinking. I'm about to go balls to the wall with my mini-ITX build and remove my 3.5" bay; so that won't be an option to consider.
Basically, I want to store GoPro videos of me and my dad motorbike riding, store music and videos on something that I can easily access (as I'm planning on getting a 1TB SSD to accompany my current, 250GB SSD in my build, it soon won't be feasible to store all this stuff in my actual computer). So all of the stuff I want to do is pretty simple and I know almost any NAS will be able to do it, but here's my questions:
1) My home internet is absolutely woeful (it took 3 days to upload a 15 minute video to YouTube), am I correct in assuming that once this stuff is downloaded, the transfer to the NAS is actually limited by the slowest local piece of equipment (likely my modem/router)? I.e. The transfer of data will be a lot quicker?
2) Assuming the above is correct, do I actually have to have my NAS connected via Ethernet to my modem, or can it all be done via wifi?
3) Do I still need to actually back this data up, or will having the NAS in (insert whatever array# appropriate) be sufficient?
4) Assuming I'm correct on points 1 and 2, what's a good 2 bay NAS?
Thanks in advance goons 
1) The NAS will transfer the data around your network at the speeds of your internal network connections. So if you've got gigabit ethernet you can expect up to gigabit ethernet speeds. Your network speed is not limited by your internet speed. The only time this is true is when you're transferring data over the internet.
2) Best to connect everything through a switch. If your modem/router has a built in switch, make sure it's at least gigabit. You can transfer data over wifi, but it's best to have the NAS plugged in via wired ethernet.
3) RAID is NOT backup. RAID is for minimizing downtime. Anything you sync to your NAS is a committed change. If you screw up a document or picture and sync it to the NAS, that change is forever and you don't get your old data back. You should consider a backup solution such as an external hard drive or a cloud backup service. Personally I use a second NAS server and 2 external drives and amazon cloud for backup. Total overkill for my linux ISOs but I'd like to make sure I don't lose anything I've been collecting over the years. Yes, you can use your NAS to backup your PCs and other devices, but as far as it being the only target for your data goes, have a working, tested backup.
4) Synology and QNap both make excellent 2-bay units. I run a pair of the old Synology 212js at work and they're decent, but don't expect rocketing speeds out of them. These are also older models, so I don't know what the newer ones can do. I've also got a 4 bay Qnap that I picked up for about $220 on Woot that has dual gigabit ports and I can get great speeds out of it. Currently running 4x3TB WD Red Pros in Raid6. That's 6TB of usable space with 2 disk redundancy. Again, RAID is NOT backup.
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- D. Ebdrup
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Interestingly enough, Windows has long had a feature that's been variously called Shadow Copies previously and is now named Previous Versions which can transparently interface with zfs snapshots (and btrfs/hammer/refs snapshots? can someone confirm/deny?) allowing you to access old edits of a file. macOS has added something similar with APFS (and with HFS+ and time machines, if you go looking for the feature, but probably 99% of people don't know it's there) - however it could've been so much better If only Apple had actually based Time Machine on ZFS like some early reports seemed to indicate, instead of just doing HFS+ hardlinks and only now getting around to a inferior CoW filesystem with APFS, at least in terms of data integrity.
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Jun 29, 2016 14:59
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- emocrat
- Feb 28, 2007
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Sidewalk Technology
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I'm cross posting from the PC Building thread, as maybe this is a more appropriate spot.
I'm looking for some initial advice on a new build for a home server. I am perfectly comfortable building my own system, but I have never done anything but gaming builds and I really don't know much about server oriented hardware.
My use case is primarily Plex, but also general data storage/syncing for my family. I figure if I am going to build something, I want it to be decent enough and general purpose enough to reasonably handle unknown future uses. So, I am currently planning to run FreeNAS. While I will probably start with just a single pool and 5 or 6 disks, I would like to be able to at least double that down the road.
I understand that I need an ECC capable ram/mobo/cpu. What I really need input on is the CPU/Mobo. I just am not familiar enough with this to judge what makes sense vs whats under powered and whats total overkill. At a minimum I need the system to be able to run at least 3 transcoded high bitrate 1080p plex streams at once. I prefer to pay a bit more and make sure it wont complain when several people try and access it at once, even if that is not a super common situation. I don't know if this is an issue that requires any extra attention but of course I need a quality Ethernet board. I will be serving both internally on the LAN and out across the net. I have a symmetric gigabit internet connection.
The PC Building thread recommends an ASRock C2750D4I with Intel Avoton C2750 (octo-core Atom) for the NAS, How does this thread feel about that? It seems to be an older chip and some brief googling shows it to be very low power vs consumer Intel stuff. I guess the trade off is lower power consumption? Like I said, I don't know shit about server hardware.
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Jun 29, 2016 20:23
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- emocrat
- Feb 28, 2007
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Sidewalk Technology
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That Asrock board has come up a few times here, but I seem to recall there being Bad Things said about one of the onboard SATA controllers. The plus side of it is the low power consumption, small form factor, and a buttload of SATA ports with no external cards needed.
Good to know. It seems like the price on that thing has been going up also.
If you aren't scared of used hardware, you'll come out way ahead in terms of power and capability. It's not hard to find a Nehalem-era Supermicro motherboard, CPU, and ECC DDR3 for under $200. Throw in the OEM LSI HBA of your choice and some SAS-SATA adapter cables and you can run pretty much any NAS OS you've ever wanted to on it.
I'm fine using whatever hardware will work. The biggest hurdle to me understanding what works together and for my use case. For example, the LSI HBA you referenced, when i search that it comes up with a huge range, and I don't know enough to say, thats the one thats correct for me. Same goes for a mobo.
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Jun 29, 2016 21:18
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- phosdex
- Dec 16, 2005
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Tortured By Flan
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I'm very happy with my Supermicro X10SL7-F for FreeNAS. It's socket 1150, it works with Celerons to Xeons, built-in 8-port LSI 2308 controller. Lots of FreeNAS users use it with an i3, although I don't think you can do 3 1080 streams with that. Not sure the Avotons can do that either. Think you'll need to move up which means going to a Xeon (i5 doesn't support ECC). But the board + Xeon means you're looking at $400+ just for that, another $100 for 16GB of ECC.
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Jun 29, 2016 22:58
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- Mr Shiny Pants
- Nov 12, 2012
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Bought my Lenovo TS440 for 300 and it came with an LSI controller on board.
I could not build one for that kind of money. I hope Lenovo does something like this again with their workstations.
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Jun 30, 2016 08:12
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- BobHoward
- Feb 13, 2012
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The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull
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Ugh, seeing a FreeBSD committer (and founder) using a Mac for this demo always pains me. FreeBSD will never fix itself if none of the devs dogfood it on their own machines.
You do know where that specific fbsd committer / founder worked for over a decade right
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Jun 30, 2016 10:11
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- emocrat
- Feb 28, 2007
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Sidewalk Technology
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I'm very happy with my Supermicro X10SL7-F for FreeNAS. It's socket 1150, it works with Celerons to Xeons, built-in 8-port LSI 2308 controller. Lots of FreeNAS users use it with an i3, although I don't think you can do 3 1080 streams with that. Not sure the Avotons can do that either. Think you'll need to move up which means going to a Xeon (i5 doesn't support ECC). But the board + Xeon means you're looking at $400+ just for that, another $100 for 16GB of ECC.
That does seem like a pretty good board. 14 controller ports if I am reading it right would allow for a lot of down the road expansion. Looks like around $500 (as you said) for that + ram and a Xeon. Doesn't seem to bad a price though if it can run everything I need decently far into the future. Thats a good baseline for comparison, thanks.
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Jun 30, 2016 16:04
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- insularis
- Sep 21, 2002
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Donated $20. Get well, Lowtax.
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Fun Shoe
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Interestingly enough, Windows has long had a feature that's been variously called Shadow Copies previously and is now named Previous Versions which can transparently interface with zfs snapshots (and btrfs/hammer/refs snapshots? can someone confirm/deny?) allowing you to access old edits of a file. macOS has added something similar with APFS (and with HFS+ and time machines, if you go looking for the feature, but probably 99% of people don't know it's there) - however it could've been so much better If only Apple had actually based Time Machine on ZFS like some early reports seemed to indicate, instead of just doing HFS+ hardlinks and only now getting around to a inferior CoW filesystem with APFS, at least in terms of data integrity.
Yes, the CIFS shares in FreeNAS expose the ZFS snapshots to Windows machines (if you so choose). There's no setup required, it just works ... if the Windows machine can see the ZFS share presented, and snapshots are on for that share, Windows will see it. They're read-only to the clients, and as many snapshots as you have are visible (into the thousands, even).
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Jun 30, 2016 16:11
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- redeyes
- Sep 14, 2002
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I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!
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Yes, the CIFS shares in FreeNAS expose the ZFS snapshots to Windows machines (if you so choose). There's no setup required, it just works ... if the Windows machine can see the ZFS share presented, and snapshots are on for that share, Windows will see it. They're read-only to the clients, and as many snapshots as you have are visible (into the thousands, even).
This is actually pretty impressive. Surprising even.
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Jun 30, 2016 16:29
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- insularis
- Sep 21, 2002
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Donated $20. Get well, Lowtax.
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Fun Shoe
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This is actually pretty impressive. Surprising even.
It's incredibly handy. I let the users see their own home folder and department folder snapshots to self-service restore small backups of files/folders for themselves, and with the master "high level" snapshots, I can just roll back the entire Windows share file system in case of a CryptoLocker event (and CryptoLocker has absolutely no write access to any level of ZFS snapshots by default).
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Jun 30, 2016 17:20
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- redeyes
- Sep 14, 2002
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I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!
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It's incredibly handy. I let the users see their own home folder and department folder snapshots to self-service restore small backups of files/folders for themselves, and with the master "high level" snapshots, I can just roll back the entire Windows share file system in case of a CryptoLocker event (and CryptoLocker has absolutely no write access to any level of ZFS snapshots by default).
It's funny because that is exactly the scenario I was thinking of.
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Jun 30, 2016 18:47
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- Trabant
- Nov 26, 2011
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All systems nominal.
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Grimey Drawer
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Crossposting from the PC build thread because I realized this one might be a better venue:
Hello thread. I'm debating whether to build a new system (pending my attempts to clean existing one of malware) so here's a question:
I currently have two HDD external enclosures: one housing a single drive for overflow storage of temporary junk and one housing a pair of drives in RAID1. If I were to build a new system, I'd like to bring all three inside the (large, I suppose) case, meaning I'd have:
- one system drive (new, SSD),
- one expansion drive (existing, HDD), and
- two mirrored drives in RAID1 (existing, HDD) using the new mobo's controller rather than the one in my NAS enclosure.
Has anyone attempted a RAID move like that? Googling says that it's a purely crapshoot, depending on the NAS controller, implementation, new mobo. My gut tells me I should just back up the RAID drives, have the new system wipe them, then copy the old files back. Then again, I've been wrong many times before.
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Jun 30, 2016 20:36
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- redeyes
- Sep 14, 2002
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I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!
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Um, probably not. The NAS controller probably wont be using Intel RAID and might not even be formatted as NTFS.
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Jun 30, 2016 21:03
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- Saukkis
- May 16, 2003
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Unless I'm on the inside curve pointing straight at oncoming traffic the high beams stay on and I laugh at your puny protest flashes.
I am Most Important Man. Most Important Man in the World.
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Um, probably not. The NAS controller probably wont be using Intel RAID and might not even be formatted as NTFS.
Yes, it most likely isn't compatible with Intel RAID, but how often do the NAS boxes use stardard Linux mdadm RAID?
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Jun 30, 2016 22:26
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- Trabant
- Nov 26, 2011
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All systems nominal.
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Grimey Drawer
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Kinda figured that would be the case. Bah.
At least it will make me consolidate data somewhat.
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Jun 30, 2016 23:45
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- Cockmaster
- Feb 24, 2002
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3) RAID is NOT backup. RAID is for minimizing downtime. Anything you sync to your NAS is a committed change. If you screw up a document or picture and sync it to the NAS, that change is forever and you don't get your old data back. You should consider a backup solution such as an external hard drive or a cloud backup service. Personally I use a second NAS server and 2 external drives and amazon cloud for backup. Total overkill for my linux ISOs but I'd like to make sure I don't lose anything I've been collecting over the years. Yes, you can use your NAS to backup your PCs and other devices, but as far as it being the only target for your data goes, have a working, tested backup.
Does this mean I'd be all right with a single-drive NAS plus an external hard drive to back up anything I couldn't easily replace (plus Google Drive for important documents)?
I was looking at the Synology DS216play or DS216j.
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Jul 2, 2016 20:18
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- Wild EEPROM
- Jul 29, 2011
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oh, my, god. Becky, look at her bitrate.
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Running FreeNAS 9.3 on some older hardware. Got the error code: CRITICAL: Device: /dev/ada0, 1 Currently unreadable (pending) sectors
ran # smartctl -q noserial -a /dev/ada0
code:smartctl 6.3 2014-07-26 r3976 [FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p31 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, [url]www.smartmontools.org[/url]
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000
Device Model: Hitachi HDS723020BLA642
Firmware Version: MN6OAA10
User Capacity: 2,000,398,934,016 bytes [2.00 TB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate: 7200 rpm
Form Factor: 3.5 inches
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
SATA Version is: SATA 2.6, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is: Sat Jul 2 20:06:41 2016 PDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x82) Offline data collection activity
was completed without error.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed
without error or no self-test has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: ( 24) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 307) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x003d) SCT Status supported.
SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
SCT Feature Control supported.
SCT Data Table supported.
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 016 Pre-fail Always - 0
2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 135 135 054 Pre-fail Offline - 85
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 144 144 024 Pre-fail Always - 386 (Average 411)
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 126
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 005 Pre-fail Always - 10
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 067 Pre-fail Always - 0
8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0005 135 135 020 Pre-fail Offline - 26
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 096 096 000 Old_age Always - 32677
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 060 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 125
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 1046
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 1046
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 115 115 000 Old_age Always - 52 (Min/Max 18/58)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 10
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0008 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x000a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged
SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
# 1 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21553 -
# 2 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21433 -
# 3 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21289 -
# 4 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21169 -
# 5 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21052 -
# 6 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20954 -
# 7 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20882 -
# 8 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20762 -
# 9 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20618 -
#10 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20498 -
#11 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20379 -
#12 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20282 -
#13 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20138 -
#14 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20022 -
#15 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19878 -
#16 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19758 -
#17 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19640 -
#18 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19542 -
#19 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19398 -
#20 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19278 -
#21 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19134 -
SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.
How worried should I be? Should I go and buy another drive like this and rebuild?
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Jul 3, 2016 04:23
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- Wild EEPROM
- Jul 29, 2011
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oh, my, god. Becky, look at her bitrate.
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Uh oh,
checked out my other drives:
code:smartctl 6.3 2014-07-26 r3976 [FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p31 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, [url]www.smartmontools.org[/url]
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000
Device Model: Hitachi HDS723020BLA642
Firmware Version: MN6OA800
User Capacity: 2,000,398,934,016 bytes [2.00 TB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate: 7200 rpm
Form Factor: 3.5 inches
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
SATA Version is: SATA 2.6, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 6.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is: Sat Jul 2 21:14:33 2016 PDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x84) Offline data collection activity
was suspended by an interrupting command from host.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed
without error or no self-test has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: (18807) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 314) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x003d) SCT Status supported.
SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
SCT Feature Control supported.
SCT Data Table supported.
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 016 Pre-fail Always - 0
2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 134 134 054 Pre-fail Offline - 87
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 156 156 024 Pre-fail Always - 337 (Average 397)
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 131
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 005 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 067 Pre-fail Always - 0
8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0005 138 138 020 Pre-fail Offline - 25
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 096 096 000 Old_age Always - 34023
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 060 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 131
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 220
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 220
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 125 125 000 Old_age Always - 48 (Min/Max 19/55)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0008 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x000a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 1
SMART Error Log Version: 1
ATA Error Count: 1
CR = Command Register [HEX]
FR = Features Register [HEX]
SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
ER = Error register [HEX]
ST = Status register [HEX]
Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.
Error 1 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 1368 hours (57 days + 0 hours)
When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.
After command completion occurred, registers were:
ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
84 51 4d 33 95 41 02 Error: ICRC, ABRT 77 sectors at LBA = 0x02419533 = 37852467
Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC Powered_Up_Time Command/Feature_Name
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- ---------------- --------------------
35 00 80 00 95 41 40 00 00:00:39.735 WRITE DMA EXT
25 00 80 00 95 41 40 00 00:00:39.734 READ DMA EXT
25 00 80 80 94 41 40 00 00:00:39.733 READ DMA EXT
25 00 80 00 94 41 40 00 00:00:39.731 READ DMA EXT
35 00 80 80 93 41 40 00 00:00:39.730 WRITE DMA EXT
SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
# 1 Short offline Completed without error 00% 22900 -
# 2 Short offline Completed without error 00% 22780 -
# 3 Short offline Completed without error 00% 22636 -
# 4 Short offline Completed without error 00% 22516 -
# 5 Short offline Completed without error 00% 22398 -
# 6 Short offline Completed without error 00% 22301 -
# 7 Short offline Completed without error 00% 22229 -
# 8 Short offline Completed without error 00% 22109 -
# 9 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21965 -
#10 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21845 -
#11 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21727 -
#12 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21629 -
#13 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21485 -
#14 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21368 -
#15 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21224 -
#16 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21104 -
#17 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20986 -
#18 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20888 -
#19 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20744 -
#20 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20624 -
#21 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20480 -
SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.
code:smartctl 6.3 2014-07-26 r3976 [FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p31 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, [url]www.smartmontools.org[/url]
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Hitachi Deskstar 7K3000
Device Model: Hitachi HDS723020BLA642
Firmware Version: MN6OAA10
User Capacity: 2,000,398,934,016 bytes [2.00 TB]
Sector Size: 512 bytes logical/physical
Rotation Rate: 7200 rpm
Form Factor: 3.5 inches
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
SATA Version is: SATA 2.6, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is: Sat Jul 2 21:16:38 2016 PDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x82) Offline data collection activity
was completed without error.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed
without error or no self-test has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: ( 28) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 323) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x003d) SCT Status supported.
SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
SCT Feature Control supported.
SCT Data Table supported.
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 099 099 016 Pre-fail Always - 2
2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 136 136 054 Pre-fail Offline - 81
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 157 157 024 Pre-fail Always - 336 (Average 393)
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 126
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 005 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 067 Pre-fail Always - 0
8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0005 135 135 020 Pre-fail Offline - 26
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 096 096 000 Old_age Always - 32677
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 060 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 125
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 1011
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 1011
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 125 125 000 Old_age Always - 48 (Min/Max 18/56)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0008 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x000a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged
SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
# 1 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21553 -
# 2 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21433 -
# 3 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21289 -
# 4 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21169 -
# 5 Short offline Completed without error 00% 21051 -
# 6 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20954 -
# 7 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20882 -
# 8 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20762 -
# 9 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20618 -
#10 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20498 -
#11 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20380 -
#12 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20282 -
#13 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20138 -
#14 Short offline Completed without error 00% 20021 -
#15 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19877 -
#16 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19757 -
#17 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19639 -
#18 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19541 -
#19 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19397 -
#20 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19277 -
#21 Short offline Completed without error 00% 19133 -
SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.
code:smartctl 6.3 2014-07-26 r3976 [FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE-p31 amd64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-14, Bruce Allen, Christian Franke, [url]www.smartmontools.org[/url]
=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Model Family: Toshiba 3.5" DT01ACA... Desktop HDD
Device Model: TOSHIBA DT01ACA200
Firmware Version: MX4OABB0
User Capacity: 2,000,398,934,016 bytes [2.00 TB]
Sector Sizes: 512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Rotation Rate: 7200 rpm
Form Factor: 3.5 inches
Device is: In smartctl database [for details use: -P show]
ATA Version is: ATA8-ACS T13/1699-D revision 4
SATA Version is: SATA 3.0, 6.0 Gb/s (current: 3.0 Gb/s)
Local Time is: Sat Jul 2 21:17:06 2016 PDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled
=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED
General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status: (0x84) Offline data collection activity
was suspended by an interrupting command from host.
Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status: ( 0) The previous self-test routine completed
without error or no self-test has ever
been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection: (14631) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities: (0x5b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
Suspend Offline collection upon new
command.
Offline surface scan supported.
Self-test supported.
No Conveyance Self-test supported.
Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities: (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
power-saving mode.
Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability: (0x01) Error logging supported.
General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 1) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time: ( 244) minutes.
SCT capabilities: (0x003d) SCT Status supported.
SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
SCT Feature Control supported.
SCT Data Table supported.
SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME FLAG VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE UPDATED WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 016 Pre-fail Always - 0
2 Throughput_Performance 0x0005 139 139 054 Pre-fail Offline - 72
3 Spin_Up_Time 0x0007 138 138 024 Pre-fail Always - 262 (Average 287)
4 Start_Stop_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 87
5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 005 Pre-fail Always - 0
7 Seek_Error_Rate 0x000b 100 100 067 Pre-fail Always - 0
8 Seek_Time_Performance 0x0005 124 124 020 Pre-fail Offline - 33
9 Power_On_Hours 0x0012 098 098 000 Old_age Always - 17681
10 Spin_Retry_Count 0x0013 100 100 060 Pre-fail Always - 0
12 Power_Cycle_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 86
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 122
193 Load_Cycle_Count 0x0012 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 122
194 Temperature_Celsius 0x0002 133 133 000 Old_age Always - 45 (Min/Max 18/52)
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0022 100 100 000 Old_age Always - 0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable 0x0008 100 100 000 Old_age Offline - 0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count 0x000a 200 200 000 Old_age Always - 0
SMART Error Log Version: 1
No Errors Logged
SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
Num Test_Description Status Remaining LifeTime(hours) LBA_of_first_error
# 1 Short offline Completed without error 00% 6556 -
# 2 Short offline Completed without error 00% 6436 -
# 3 Short offline Completed without error 00% 6292 -
# 4 Short offline Completed without error 00% 6172 -
# 5 Short offline Completed without error 00% 6054 -
# 6 Short offline Completed without error 00% 5957 -
# 7 Short offline Completed without error 00% 5885 -
# 8 Short offline Completed without error 00% 5765 -
# 9 Short offline Completed without error 00% 5621 -
#10 Short offline Completed without error 00% 5501 -
#11 Short offline Completed without error 00% 5383 -
#12 Short offline Completed without error 00% 5285 -
#13 Short offline Completed without error 00% 5141 -
#14 Short offline Completed without error 00% 5025 -
#15 Short offline Completed without error 00% 4881 -
#16 Short offline Completed without error 00% 4761 -
#17 Short offline Completed without error 00% 4642 -
#18 Short offline Completed without error 00% 4545 -
#19 Short offline Completed without error 00% 4401 -
#20 Short offline Completed without error 00% 4281 -
#21 Short offline Completed without error 00% 4137 -
SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
SPAN MIN_LBA MAX_LBA CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
1 0 0 Not_testing
2 0 0 Not_testing
3 0 0 Not_testing
4 0 0 Not_testing
5 0 0 Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.
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- Rexxed
- May 1, 2010
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Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!

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The other disks don't have reallocated sectors. There was one with a raw read error rate of 2 and one with UDMA CRC error of 1 but those aren't as big of a deal as long as they don't rapidly increase because those are less about the disk having failing parts in it and more about errors during an operation that a lot of different parts could have had a hand in (bad cables can often cause those if you see a lot of them, etc).
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Jul 3, 2016 05:56
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- Nulldevice
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Toilet Rascal
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Does this mean I'd be all right with a single-drive NAS plus an external hard drive to back up anything I couldn't easily replace (plus Google Drive for important documents)?
I was looking at the Synology DS216play or DS216j.
If you're going with the DS216 model you've got room for two disks, so you're best off with using Synology hybrid RAID or RAID1 plus an external drive and cloud backup. This gives you the best possible protection against downtime and data loss. Remember, with hard drives it's not a matter of 'if' drives will fail, it's a matter of 'when' drives will fail. Just remember that any data that isn't backed up off site is vulnerable to loss from fire, flood, plague of locusts, etc. Make sure you have a regularly scheduled backup.
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Jul 4, 2016 14:49
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- 5436
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UGGGGH MOOSE
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My Synology DS212j (forgot model #) died after 3 glorious years. I'm buying a QNAP TS-251 to replace it. There any concerns with QNAP? I did some research and didn't find anything.
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Jul 5, 2016 16:04
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I've just ordered a Synology DS416play. For BitTorrent clients, I was looking at Download Station or Transmission. Is either one conclusively better than the other?
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Jul 7, 2016 00:39
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- snuff
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I recently purchased a Nvidia Shield to replace my Intel NUC running LibreElec, mostly for trying out Plex Media Server on such a low powered device. I've run into a major problem though, my current media storage solution is a 2TB WD external HDD and because of a limitation in Android it's not possible to write over network to attached USB drives.
So now it looks like I need a NAS if I want to actually use this thing. My needs are very basic, 4TB of space since I'm already at my limit with the 2TB external and it would be nice to have a BitTorrent client on it. It will be serving media to the Nvidia Shield with a max of 2-3 connections at a time. I really don't care about redundancy or backup since all my media can be easily reobtained and I have a fast internet connection.
I've been looking at the WD My Cloud 4TB and the Seagate Personal Cloud 4TB, the thing holding me back is that both of these are old devices, has something better come along? Do I need anything better?
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Jul 7, 2016 16:02
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- 5436
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UGGGGH MOOSE
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I recently purchased a Nvidia Shield to replace my Intel NUC running LibreElec, mostly for trying out Plex Media Server on such a low powered device. I've run into a major problem though, my current media storage solution is a 2TB WD external HDD and because of a limitation in Android it's not possible to write over network to attached USB drives.
So now it looks like I need a NAS if I want to actually use this thing. My needs are very basic, 4TB of space since I'm already at my limit with the 2TB external and it would be nice to have a BitTorrent client on it. It will be serving media to the Nvidia Shield with a max of 2-3 connections at a time. I really don't care about redundancy or backup since all my media can be easily reobtained and I have a fast internet connection.
I've been looking at the WD My Cloud 4TB and the Seagate Personal Cloud 4TB, the thing holding me back is that both of these are old devices, has something better come along? Do I need anything better?
I've just ordered a Synology DS416play. For BitTorrent clients, I was looking at Download Station or Transmission. Is either one conclusively better than the other?
I have a similar setup but still run Plex on a computer. The Synology is good at downloading files, you can set it up to do nzbs and torrents. It also has an option of when a directory sees a new .torrent file it'll just process it and download it. You should just get a 2bay synology, the redundancy is good, you'll appreciate it when a drive fails (I had one fail for the first time in my life). Get whatever is the upgrade to the ds212j. It should run $170-220ish. The whole setup is very user friendly and straight forward.
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Jul 7, 2016 21:45
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I'm shopping for a NAS. What I need are: two bays, RAID 1, low power usage (as reasonably possible), support for backing up Windows, Linux, and OS X computers. A Nice To Have would be a USB 3 port with a one button clone to plugged in disk, but it's not super important because I'm planning to automate my offsite backup via other methods. I don't need anything fancy like HDMI ports, HTPC features, an app store etc, or some kind of cloud hosting solution. I'm perfectly comfortable with CLI interfaces.
I checked Wirecutter and they recommend the QNAP TS-251 for $250 which seems a bit expensive but not outrageous or anything, I just thought that these things were cheaper is all. Is this what I should buy or is there something that fits my needs better?
Boris Galerkin fucked around with this message at 10:24 on Jul 9, 2016
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Jul 8, 2016 17:52
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- redeyes
- Sep 14, 2002
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I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!
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WD MyCloud EX2 should fit that bill:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01AWH05K...1_t2_B00I2P53NY
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Jul 10, 2016 15:45
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Can anyone confirm that the LSI 3008 controller only supports IR mode and not IT mode?
Because I just noticed that it might be the case, and it invalidates basically all but one of my new-server plans, and all of them were cheaper than the one based on a Supermicro X10SDV-4C-7TP4F in a Lian-Li PC-A04B and Lian-Li EX-23NB, always assuming that FlexATX can be mounted at on MicroATX, which'd also be nice to have confirmedwhich I have confirmed according to the specifications (section 1.4).
D. Ebdrup fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jul 10, 2016
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Jul 10, 2016 16:40
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- priznat
- Jul 7, 2009
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Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
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I am thinking of building a combined nas/vm server using a xeon d, does anyone run a esx/hyper-v server with the nas in a vm? I've read that freenas doesn't really like being virtualized (don't know how out of date that was).
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Jul 10, 2016 17:38
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- D. Ebdrup
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I am thinking of building a combined nas/vm server using a xeon d, does anyone run a esx/hyper-v server with the nas in a vm? I've read that freenas doesn't really like being virtualized (don't know how out of date that was).
That's actually why I'm looking to buy a Xeon-D motherboard with a built-in HBA that can run IT-mode, because it lets me combine a virtualization host and a fileserver into one machine: FreeBSD 11, which is out as -RELEASE on Septemper 2nd, has fully-encrypted ZFS using GELI without bootroot* as root storage system on top of which you can put bhyve (a full hypervisor that supports UEFI frame buffering that can be accessed via a VNC client, and use iohyve to manage for the guest storage) and smbd for file sharing (ie. NAS functionality).
FreeNAS runs fine as a virtualized guest if you set it up properly, but with ESXi you need to do IOMMU to pass-through your HBA in order for ZFS to access them properly, and that option disappeared in 5.5 meaning you have to run 5.1.
I'm told that UnRAID can also share its disks via smbd, so you can probably look into that if you're not interested in the above.
As far as I know, though, both ESXi, Hyper-V, and UnRAID have problems - the first two because they assume you have your datastore on a seperate NAS/SAN unless you jump through hoops and all three suffer from the virtualization host not having the same data redundancy as your guests do, since both run off a single drive (and even if you go out of your way to buy an SLC flash disk, ESXi and UnRAID are still just one disk failing away from having to start over).
*: Meaning you can use beadm, which is forked from Solaris, to manage your boot enviroments and never having to worry about system configuration unless you suffer catastrophic hardware failure of your entire pool plus its backups.
D. Ebdrup fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Jul 10, 2016
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Jul 10, 2016 18:53
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- necrobobsledder
- Mar 21, 2005
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Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll
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Nap Ghost
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Uh, I ran ESXi 5.5 with a board that supports Vt-D and PCI-e passthrough was fine, no problems besides annoying reboots. I'm psycho enough to even run OS X in a VM on ESXi on a Supermicro board. Upgraded to ESXi 6, no problem either. Direct access is a pretty important ESXi feature for enterprise, I'm not sure why it would ever go away.
Backing up ESXi itself isn't as trivial as a FreeNAS config exactly but it's not an appliance either. There's plenty of info out there to help backup an ESXi setup. And really, even if you're slightly brain dead you could just copy your VM folders once in a while to a backup filesystem whether it's local or remote.
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Jul 10, 2016 23:35
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- phosdex
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As far as I know, though, both ESXi, Hyper-V, and UnRAID have problems - the first two because they assume you have your datastore on a seperate NAS/SAN unless you jump through hoops and all three suffer from the virtualization host not having the same data redundancy as your guests do, since both run off a single drive (and even if you go out of your way to buy an SLC flash disk, ESXi and UnRAID are still just one disk failing away from having to start over).
esxi does not assume you're going to be using a nas/san for datastorage at all. There are no hoops to jump through. You plug in your drives, esxi sees them and you format them as vmfs. Host redundancy is a slightly harder problem but for real, there isn't a lot to configure for the average home user. You may as well just reinstall. All of your datastores will still be there and since vm settings are stored with the vm, they'll still be there.
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Jul 11, 2016 01:01
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- Cockmaster
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I have a similar setup but still run Plex on a computer. The Synology is good at downloading files, you can set it up to do nzbs and torrents. It also has an option of when a directory sees a new .torrent file it'll just process it and download it. You should just get a 2bay synology, the redundancy is good, you'll appreciate it when a drive fails (I had one fail for the first time in my life). Get whatever is the upgrade to the ds212j. It should run $170-220ish. The whole setup is very user friendly and straight forward.
I just started using Download Station for torrents, and it's just what I needed. Gotta love the disclaimer on Synology's Download Station page:
quote:Important:
You must comply with all applicable laws and regulations when using Download Station. Do not download or share any copyrighted files or software without obtaining approval of the copyright owner.
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Jul 11, 2016 03:59
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- Arsenic Lupin
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I have a My Cloud PR4100 8TB arriving tomorrow. I went for the 4-bay model because it has upgradable memory. I'm planning on using this as storage for my Plex library and all the music files from my Olive Symphony. Short term, I'm going to plug it into my Linux box running Plex; long term I'll probably buy something to use as the server head so that the transcoding problem is addressed.
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Jul 11, 2016 05:12
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