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kapalama
Aug 15, 2007

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Froist posted:

I didn't want to scare anyone because it was likely very much a fringe case, but from that point it was a no-go for me personally. I'd been using HFS+ as the filesystem (rather than the probably more common NTFS) and had switched a few times between using it with the DroboShare and directly connecting to my Mac over USB. One day neither of them would read the filesystem any more - the only way I got the data off it was a last-ditch attempt of using MacDrive on a Windows PC to read it.

Apparently it is not a fringe case with HFS+, then.

You were able to get data of yours. Mine was untrustworthy enough that I just wrote off whatever was not backed up away from the Drobo. And it was silent corruption, where with no warning, songs turned into text documents and what not.

kapalama
Aug 15, 2007

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Drizzt01 posted:

I tried storage spaces when the windows 8 and server 8 consumer preview 1 were out but have not in the new iterations. It was still a bit buggy and slow write (15-30MB/s) with parity on and mis matched drives. Read was fine though. If they fix the bugs that existed I could see it being a great alternative.

Because Storage Spaces was not capitalized, I almost missed that post.

Is Storage Spaces live? (Is Windows 8 out?) Does it work?

kapalama
Aug 15, 2007

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The Onion posted:

Anyone have any more thoughts about going with UnRaid as a psuedo-raid solution? I currently have 3x500gb drives, and I am about to pick up 2x 2tb drives. I want a solution that is expandable, and doesn't require much upkeep. I don't really care about write speeds, But I do care about reasonable read speeds (Media center style reads). I'm looking at FreeNas also, but it seems like a lot of work, and doesn't play well with unmatched drives. I also want the ability to be able to take the drives and recover the data in a different computer if needed, in the case of array failures. Any thoughts?

In terms of finished products, it does not seem like unRaid is much cheaper than a Drobo.
(example: http://stephenkjones.com/unraid/ , and the systems listed on the unRAID home page.)


The two people who had problems with their Drobos (me and Froist) were both running HFS+. This is maybe the sticking point for Drobo. I wondered how I had such bad performance and unreliablity when so many other people had seemless experiences, and while two cases prove nothing, it is at least a clue that Drobo maybe works fine, just not with HFS+(Mac filsystems).

SInce lots of things have trouble with Mac filsystems, then, maybe Drobo is not at fault. Of course why Data Robotics never addresses or acknowledges this issue then becomes a question, and I can say from dealing with that company, that they are a little slimy (like many tech companies are) when dealing with problems.

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003



Wait did you guys mount iSCSI and put HFS+ on top?

kapalama
Aug 15, 2007

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evil_bunnY posted:

Wait did you guys mount iSCSI and put HFS+ on top?

This is on a Drobo, where it says we can format as whatever we like.

Maybe we can't, but Drobo said we could.

The Onion
Aug 9, 2005
Ban Spider Scares me:(

kapalama posted:

In terms of finished products, it does not seem like unRaid is much cheaper than a Drobo.
(example: http://stephenkjones.com/unraid/ , and the systems listed on the unRAID home page.)


The two people who had problems with their Drobos (me and Froist) were both running HFS+. This is maybe the sticking point for Drobo. I wondered how I had such bad performance and unreliablity when so many other people had seemless experiences, and while two cases prove nothing, it is at least a clue that Drobo maybe works fine, just not with HFS+(Mac filsystems).

SInce lots of things have trouble with Mac filsystems, then, maybe Drobo is not at fault. Of course why Data Robotics never addresses or acknowledges this issue then becomes a question, and I can say from dealing with that company, that they are a little slimy (like many tech companies are) when dealing with problems.

Well the drobo costs much more overall, considering all i'm buying right now is hard drives, I have the rest of the hardware on hand..

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003



kapalama posted:

This is on a Drobo, where it says we can format as whatever we like.
Right sorry I thought all Drobos were all NAS, but they make DAS boxes too apparently.

Longinus00
Dec 29, 2005
Ur-Quan

evil_bunnY posted:

Right sorry I thought all Drobos were all NAS, but they make DAS boxes too apparently.

Drobos were originally only DAS's. It was only much later that they made NAS versions.

CatelynIsAZombie
Nov 16, 2006

I can't wait to bomb DO-DON-GOES!


Seeing as how we don't have a platter drives thread I hope it's okay to ask this here.

I'm working on a project at school that uses external hard drives for most of its data storage. I'm trying to push them towards a NAS or other options but in the meantime we're still buying external HDDs.

Are there any sites with good reviews/comparisons of HDDs and in general is it smart to pay for a drive like this Seagate. Or does better warranty/reliability come from buying an internal drive + enclosure.

ClassH
Mar 18, 2008


kapalama posted:

Because Storage Spaces was not capitalized, I almost missed that post.

Is Storage Spaces live? (Is Windows 8 out?) Does it work?

It is not out yet but consumer preview 2 is. You can download it on Microsoft's website and try Storage Spaces yourself. I do not know if there will be an upgrade path to RTM when it comes out.

Fancy_Lad
May 15, 2003
Would you like to buy a monkey?

Drizzt01 posted:

It is not out yet but consumer preview 2 is. You can download it on Microsoft's website and try Storage Spaces yourself. I do not know if there will be an upgrade path to RTM when it comes out.

I've done a little bit of playing with the Server 2012 Release Candidate on VMware Workstation and it looks like it will do what I want.

I haven't completely digested it, but it looks like by default the "Parity" setting splits data into 3 chunks - two striped data and one parity. Apparently you get more control if you create it via PowerShell. I'm going to play with it tonight, but since I'd rather have closer to the 25% parity hit I have today if I can make it 3 striped data and one parity I think I'll switch once it is RTM. More info

IT Guy
Jan 12, 2010

You people drink like you don't want to live!

I think I've discovered a security issue with FreeNAS.

I have two FreeNAS boxes setup, both using the built in local users.

I can create a user on FreeNAS #1 and rsync to FreeNAS #2 (using that user as the task) even if FreeNAS #2 doesn't have that user added. This only works if the user on FreeNAS #1 is in the "wheel" primary group (even if he isn't actually added as a member of the group). Is this intended behaviour?

kapalama
Aug 15, 2007

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One thing about Storage Spaces that seems strange is that thin provisioning is not automatic.

Is there some reason why it is not default behavior? If I understand it right, if you do not thin provision a pool then it is not exapandable.

movax
Aug 30, 2008



UPS saved me this morning:
code:
Jun 11 06:39:39 megatron apcupsd[1386]: [ID 702911 daemon.crit] Running on UPS batteries.
Jun 11 06:56:10 megatron apcupsd[1386]: [ID 702911 daemon.crit] Mains returned. No longer on UPS batteries.
It's a SmartUPS 1500 with refurb batteries. Everyone should have a UPS strapped to their NAS, it's so cheap and gives you nice peace of mind.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

movax posted:

Everyone should have a UPS strapped to their NAS, it's so cheap and gives you nice peace of mind.
Agreed. Mine did something quite similar Saturday night when I completely forgot about a planned outage to replace some cables. When the rest of my house shut off at 10pm, it was nice to have my computer, NAS, and modem as little glowing islands of light long enough to gracefully shut everything down.

Seriously, a lot of you people spend $700+ on a NAS, $1000+ on a computer, $500+ on monitors, and somehow haven't bothered to spend $100 to make sure it all doesn't fry itself on a surge, struggle with dirty power, or suddenly shut off in the middle of something (ask me how my girlfriend loves not having a UPS with dirty power and PhotoShop's lack of an autosave).

Godsavethefritos
Jan 20, 2008


Just wondering if one of AMD's new line of APUs would be appropriate for running system with 2 SSDs in Raid-1 and 4 2tb drives in a Raid-z group?

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Godsavethefritos posted:

Just wondering if one of AMD's new line of APUs would be appropriate for running system with 2 SSDs in Raid-1 and 4 2tb drives in a Raid-z group?
File-server stuff takes very little actual CPU power by today's standards, and can be capably handled by pretty much any current CPU (well, except maybe some of those VIA super-low power chips). I'm sure they'd be fine. You don't have to worry unless you want it to do other stuff, too, like HTPC work or transcoding.

Maniaman
Mar 3, 2006


My old fileserver finally died. I was hoping I'd be able to get a couple more months out of it because I didn't have the money to replace it with what I wanted. Unfortunately it didn't wait, so I settled for a Synology DS212j. Got it in yesterday, pput it together and set it up. For being the cheap model it makes me wish I knew more about NAS devices when I put the first fileserver together. So simple. So much less power usage.

Now the fun part... restoring the backups then trying to resurrect the old fileserver to pull things that hadn't been backed up.

Wheelchair Stunts
Dec 17, 2005

by Y Kant Ozma Post


DrDork posted:

File-server stuff takes very little actual CPU power by today's standards, and can be capably handled by pretty much any current CPU (well, except maybe some of those VIA super-low power chips). I'm sure they'd be fine. You don't have to worry unless you want it to do other stuff, too, like HTPC work or transcoding.

As for the transcoding part, I think AMD offers that via the GPU part of the on-die APU so they might even be squared away there.

UndyingShadow
May 15, 2006
You're looking ESPECIALLY shadowy this evening, Sir

DrDork posted:

Agreed. Mine did something quite similar Saturday night when I completely forgot about a planned outage to replace some cables. When the rest of my house shut off at 10pm, it was nice to have my computer, NAS, and modem as little glowing islands of light long enough to gracefully shut everything down.

Seriously, a lot of you people spend $700+ on a NAS, $1000+ on a computer, $500+ on monitors, and somehow haven't bothered to spend $100 to make sure it all doesn't fry itself on a surge, struggle with dirty power, or suddenly shut off in the middle of something (ask me how my girlfriend loves not having a UPS with dirty power and PhotoShop's lack of an autosave).

Ohh I've got a UPS on my NAS box, but I can't get the USB support to work with FreeNAS, so it might as well be useless.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell



UndyingShadow posted:

Ohh I've got a UPS on my NAS box, but I can't get the USB support to work with FreeNAS, so it might as well be useless.

I could be wrong on this, but I think the data connection isn't completely necessary. I mean it will continue to run on batteries until it dies. Of course at that time, it will just die. But it will protect you thorough most power outages and brownouts.

So...I guess its better than nothing.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Thermopyle posted:

So...I guess its better than nothing.
Quite a bit better than nothing. Most power issues are fairly brief, and a 1000VA UPS can probably run a N40L for 30+ minutes on a charge, which should protect you from all but a legit power outage.

alecm
Aug 20, 2004

Lorraine, I'm your density. I mean . . . your destiny.

UndyingShadow posted:

Ohh I've got a UPS on my NAS box, but I can't get the USB support to work with FreeNAS, so it might as well be useless.

I recently went through this with FreeNAS 8.04, which seems to have broken a broken UPS service. For me, FreeNAS would detect that the UPS went on battery but would never process the shutdown. I was able to work around by following the suggestion of the last post here: FreeNAS.org forums

The suggestion is to edit /conf/base/etc/local/rc.d/nut_upsmon to execute the command as root. I mounted the FreeNAS volume as writeable using "mount -wu /", then changed line 30 to read
code:
command="${nut_upsmon_prefix}/sbin/upsmon -p"
then returned the volume to read-only with "mount -ro /"

I'm a pretty big BSD newbie, so run all of this through a sanity check before making the changes. That said, it's working fine for me now.

Wheelchair Stunts
Dec 17, 2005

by Y Kant Ozma Post


Do you UPSes no longer offer serial output? I mean, that's about as ubiquitous as you can get.

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber


Clapping Larry

Wheelchair Stunts posted:

Do you UPSes no longer offer serial output? I mean, that's about as ubiquitous as you can get.

The last few I have hooked up had USB.

kapalama
Aug 15, 2007

EVERYTHING I SAY ABOUT JAPAN OR LIVING IN JAPAN IS COMPLETELY WRONG, BUT YOU BETTER BELIEVE I'LL ABOUT IT.

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Wheelchair Stunts posted:

Do you UPSes no longer offer serial output? I mean, that's about as ubiquitous as you can get.

Oh you PC people.

kill your idols
Sep 11, 2003

by T. Finninho


Maniaman posted:

Synology DS212j.

I just grabbed a DS112 ; really amazed with it. I was worried with only 256 megs of ram it'd lag behind some home built options, but it seems speedy enough for even 3rd party apps. I don't think it'd go back to the full OS installs ever again.

Maniaman
Mar 3, 2006


I haven't used it much yet, but I like what I see so far. Only thing I don't like is you have to install their software on a computer the first time you set the device up so it can install the firmware or "operating system" or whatever it's called in NAS-land on the device. The browser interface is very simple and straightforward. I'll never go back to full OS installs for a machine thats only purpose is serving files.

kill your idols
Sep 11, 2003

by T. Finninho


Mine came today, and the DSM on the install DVD was 3.2. I have had no issues with it, but I know there is a 4.0X release on Synology's site. I have some other repo's setup for source and all the reading I've done so far on other forums says 4.0X breaks alot of them. I'm sticking with 3.2.

Here's the blog entry I used to get the source to add Transmission:

http://ghughes.com/blog/2011/11/06/...on-to-good-use/

kill your idols
Sep 11, 2003

by T. Finninho


Updated to DSM 4 and used packages from this repo: http://www.synocommunity.com/packages

No issues so far.

Shallow
Feb 9, 2005



I'm wondering whether I'm just being very unlucky, or does any kind of network storage involving a USB connection invariably stink?

Recently I've had some horrible experiences with a Netgear N300. Connecting a drive to its USB port just doesn't work worth a damn - file copies fail after a few items. The problem seems to be pretty common with Windows 7 but neither Microsoft nor Netgear are owning up and offering a fix. I tried attaching the drive to my older model My Book World and copying that way instead. Copies done this way slowed to a crawl until they essentially weren't doing anything.

I had other issues with the Netgear router, so I ended up replacing it with a Belkin which is also curiously called an N300, and lacks a USB port. I still can't copy to the USB drive on the My Book World at any remotely worthwhile speed.

I've tried out both setups wired and wireless, with various different USB disks and sticks, and it always seems to be pretty useless for writing to the drives. Reads work more reliably, but are a lot slower than you'd like.

At this point I'm saying fuck it and buying a DS212j. I've been meaning to upgrade from the old My Book World to some sort of Synology box for ages, it seems like now is the time. I'm not even going to try connecting a USB drive to it, I've had quite enough of that!

Drevoak
Jan 30, 2007


kill your idols posted:

Updated to DSM 4 and used packages from this repo: http://www.synocommunity.com/packages

No issues so far.

How'd you come across that repo? I've googled and searched for an up-to-date repo like that and I've never found one. Even has sabnzbd 0.7 already which is awesome.

kill your idols
Sep 11, 2003

by T. Finninho


Drevoak posted:

How'd you come across that repo? I've googled and searched for an up-to-date repo like that and I've never found one. Even has sabnzbd 0.7 already which is awesome.

Browsing the Synology forums the other night had it. It seems there are two main dev's that work on the packages. It's good stuff. They had some advice on it about removing all other repos since there sometimes have the same apps, but different versions and it could mess some stuff up. I'm using just that one now.

Moxie Omen
Mar 15, 2008



Seagate 2TB 5900rpm ST2000DL003's are effectively $100 till tomorrow on newegg. Worthwhile for a FreeNAS setup? Any issues?

Telex
Feb 11, 2003



Moxie Omen posted:

Seagate 2TB 5900rpm ST2000DL003's are effectively $100 till tomorrow on newegg. Worthwhile for a FreeNAS setup? Any issues?

I bought 5 of them for my ex-gf a little less than a year ago and have had zero issues with them. This is a good thing since I believe I am on the hook for lifetime free remote tech support with her.

movax
Aug 30, 2008



Telex posted:

I bought 5 of them for my ex-gf a little less than a year ago and have had zero issues with them. This is a good thing since I believe I am on the hook for lifetime free remote tech support with her.

Wait, shit, even for exes? Fuck.

Jonny 290
May 5, 2005

[A]sk me about OS/2 WARP


movax posted:

Wait, shit, even for exes? Fuck.

If you read the contract closely, you're actually held to a higher service level after the relationship is over. =/

OnceIWasAnOstrich
Jul 22, 2006



I just got a Synology DS412+ and everything is great so far, except that I can't figure out how to set it up with a hostname that isn't DDNS. I have a static IP so I don't want to set up some sort of dynamic DNS service just to point to that static IP when I have it set up with a A record otherwise. All Google is telling me is how to set up DDNS. Is there a secret way to set this up or am I just going to have to transfer my DNS to some sort of DNS host with DDNS that this box supports?

edit: Found it hidden under "Router Settings" inside of DSM settings. Great organization guys.

OnceIWasAnOstrich fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jun 18, 2012

Telex
Feb 11, 2003



Jonny 290 posted:

If you read the contract closely, you're actually held to a higher service level after the relationship is over. =/

Up to and including trying to figure out how to fix a busted server when you're literally on the other coast.

So, I went with FreeNAS and a bunch of those Seagate drives since Seagate basically has failed me less than WD in my anecdotal experience.

9 months of uptime so far!

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

Jonny 290 posted:

If you read the contract closely, you're actually held to a higher service level after the relationship is over. =/
As I understand it, most people are under only an OLA after the relationship is over, so you only need to pretend that you care and have tried mostly because there's no exchange of goods or services being guaranteed otherwise.

Maybe someday we'll get OLAs and SLAs written into prenups. Sometimes I wish I could scream "SLA VIOLATION!" and she'll understand what I mean every time the wife watches a Real Housewives episode in my presence.

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