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apropos man
Sep 5, 2016

You get a hundred and forty one thousand years and you're out in eight!

Where do people stand on plugging/unplugging the SATA power on a drive while it's running to simulate a failure on a ZFS array? Should I just not be lazy and shut down before I unplug?

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

apropos man posted:

Where do people stand on plugging/unplugging the SATA power on a drive while it's running to simulate a failure on a ZFS array? Should I just not be lazy and shut down before I unplug?

That could be bad if there is a write in flight as consumer models don’t have energy backup solutions.

apropos man
Sep 5, 2016

You get a hundred and forty one thousand years and you're out in eight!

priznat posted:

That could be bad if there is a write in flight as consumer models don’t have energy backup solutions.

Well, I could export the zpool first, but I've decided I'm not gonna be a lazy bastard and shut it down instead.

I've been printing out labels for all my drives with model and serial number on them. I just need to disconnect one of the mirror pair to determine which serial is which. It'll take 20 minutes to do everything properly and then when a drive does fail I'll know exactly which one to pull because they'll all have serials stuck to them.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Chances are pretty low you’d have an issue between drive getting it into cache and writing to flash, so you’re most likely fairly safe and the error correction from zfs probably renders it moot anyway!

apropos man
Sep 5, 2016

You get a hundred and forty one thousand years and you're out in eight!

I've already shut my VM's down, shut the rig down and pulled power to one of the mirror drives.

It's rebooting now. I'll SSH in, do a lsblk/smartctl to see which serial has went offline and then shutdown and plug it all back in again.

Then they'll be stickered for if one actually dies some time.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


apropos man posted:

Where do people stand on plugging/unplugging the SATA power on a drive while it's running to simulate a failure on a ZFS array? Should I just not be lazy and shut down before I unplug?

I fully support it as it's the most likely scenario. Anyone who suggests warning your array in any way is defeating the purpose of the test. Do it twice.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Yeah definitely do it for a test just that’s what could happen. In system stress testing is a good thing!

D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009



Chassis' designed for hotswap have backplanes with capasitors to handle the power surges involved with disconnecting and connecting drives, but if you're only doing it a few times I honestly don't see it mattering unless the manefacturer built to the absolutely lowest spec possible or you have hardware that's on the verge of failing already.
The upside of knowing whether your automation works, whether its hotspares or automatic replacement with something like zfsd, is definitely worth it.

apropos man
Sep 5, 2016

You get a hundred and forty one thousand years and you're out in eight!

H110Hawk posted:

I fully support it as it's the most likely scenario. Anyone who suggests warning your array in any way is defeating the purpose of the test. Do it twice.

I've read this three times and I still can't tell if it's sarcasm.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


apropos man posted:

I've read this three times and I still can't tell if it's sarcasm.

Dead serious but I was buzzed on brunch when I wrote it. If you're going to test it don't half ass it.

apropos man
Sep 5, 2016

You get a hundred and forty one thousand years and you're out in eight!

Haha. I like it that you can be buzzed on brunch.

The job's don'e now. I plan on moving everything over to SSD's when prices tumble even further. I don't use a huge amount of storage as I regularly delete stuff from my movie library after I watch it. A bunch of SSD's in a PC case will be so much easier to physically manage, too.

I guess once I've replaced spinners with SSD's I may pull the power if I want a simulation. At the moment I'll just leave my WD reds spinning another 6 months.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


apropos man posted:

Haha. I like it that you can be buzzed on brunch.

I can't tell if you are serious about suggesting you wouldn't be buzzed on brunch. It has mimosas right in the definition.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

Bote McBoteface. so what


H110Hawk posted:

I can't tell if you are serious about suggesting you wouldn't be buzzed on brunch. It has mimosas right in the definition.

Beaucoup Haram
Jun 18, 2005



Did someone mention 3tb drives being generally unreliable ?

Here's the worst once I've got in my 16 drive NAS - over 5 years of 24/7, max temp 63c, no errors. Toshiba DT01ACA300.

mystes
May 31, 2006



priznat posted:

Microsoft is going both ways with adding bash support too so you can use whichever you prefer!
WSL is great if you want to run linux stuff on windows, but it doesn't really make sense to use it in the same situations where you would use powershell.

Also, as someone who uses linux most of the time, I think that powershell is (slightly) better than bash.

Heners_UK
Jun 1, 2002


Beaucoup Haram posted:

Did someone mention 3tb drives being generally unreliable ?

Can't say my WD 3TB green (shucked) is unreliable. It's been going on at least 6 years.

On the otherhand, there's a dead Seagate 3TB sat by my server as a reminder of what can fucking happen.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

Bote McBoteface. so what


Heners_UK posted:

Can't say my WD 3TB green (shucked) is unreliable. It's been going on at least 6 years.

On the otherhand, there's a dead Seagate 3TB sat by my server as a reminder of what can fucking happen.

Heh, yeah I've mentioned in this thread that I've got a WD Green with like 7 years of power-on time that's still fine, and an ST3000DM001 that killed itself (after 5+ years, but still....)

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

Selling off some old drives that may be of interest to the thread plus a 4x3 5.25” SATA backplane. https://forums.somethingawful.com/s...hreadid=3883652

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Dec 6, 2014

CUCK SJW


Beaucoup Haram posted:

Did someone mention 3tb drives being generally unreliable ?

Here's the worst once I've got in my 16 drive NAS - over 5 years of 24/7, max temp 63c, no errors. Toshiba DT01ACA300.



I have nothing but my own anecdotal data on this but as someone (me) who owned about 70 hard drives in their lives, the only ones I ever had die were ones that were "odd" numbers, as in they got to that number of GB or TB in some non-standard means. My hard drives that have died: 400GB WD drives (I had three of those fuckers die on me), a 1.5TB drive, a 3TB drive, and a 6 TB drive. I've never had a 1TB, 2TB, 500GB, 4TB, or 8TB drive die on me (except for the 8TB I dropped on the floor thanks to me pain in the ass cat).

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW fucked around with this message at 17:53 on Mar 4, 2019

Irritated Goat
Mar 12, 2005

This post is pathetic.


I need to figure out which is going to be the better option. I need it to run some basic usenet apps and Plex. If I go with the 1st option, I'll just keep running Plex off my PC with the files on the NAS.

Do I stick with my DS213J and swap the drives out for 2x8TB?

Do I use my current leftover parts from a PC upgrade, buy the missing ones + drives and run ZFS or something?

Buy a newer NAS that can do Plex and add drives to that instead?

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Dec 6, 2014

CUCK SJW


I'm using an old i7 desktop (930, 1366 socket) for my Plex server (amongst other things) and since the CPU is really old I want to offload a lot of the transcoding in Plex to the GPU. I have an Nvidia GTX 650 and was wondering if that's enough or if I need to buy something newer? I know it's old as hell but I don't want to spend money if I don't have to. If it's too old to be useful for Plex, is there a cheapish NVidia GPU that is recommended that will only take up 1 bracket in a tower?

G-Prime
Apr 30, 2003

Baby, when it's love,
if it's not rough it isn't fun.


I thought a GT 1030 was the correct answer and was typing up a post on that, but then went to reconfirm, and Nvidia has told me that I'm a damn fool. Based on that, it looks like a 1050 is the lowest end one that does both decoding and encoding of x264 and x265.

Crunchy Black
Oct 24, 2017

CASTOR: Uh, it was all fine and you don't remember?
VINDMAN: No, it was bad and I do remember.




The best, lowest power option is a Quadro P2000.

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


Crunchy Black posted:

The best, lowest power option is a Quadro P2000.

That's a holy-moly expensive card.

redeyes
Sep 14, 2002
I LOVE THE WHITE STRIPES!

Wouldn't a modern Intel CPU have decode and quicksync encode? I dunno of Plex can take advantage of Quicksync though.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

I saw it drop to $350 new recently at Dell. In some setups it beats using more expensive general purpose CPU, especially for real-time HEVC encodes which can let you reduce egress bandwidth consumption. But if you’re looking at that card as a media PC type user you’ve spent probably well over $2k in hardware to push out a lot of media.

QuickSync only has so many concurrent encodes possible and while the P2000 is 2x decoder and single encoder limited it’s API unlimited and can be useful in that respect at least compared to most GeForce cards that are single user only.

G-Prime
Apr 30, 2003

Baby, when it's love,
if it's not rough it isn't fun.


Plex can do Quicksync. But an i7-930 is pre-Sandy Bridge, so it doesn't support Quicksync. The reason it was relevant to me was that a buddy of mine has a Haswell, but wanted to do HEVC, which wasn't supported until Skylake. It's significantly cheaper to grab a 1050 than to replace board, processor, and RAM, which is why I suggested it.

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Dec 6, 2014

CUCK SJW


G-Prime posted:

I thought a GT 1030 was the correct answer and was typing up a post on that, but then went to reconfirm, and Nvidia has told me that I'm a damn fool. Based on that, it looks like a 1050 is the lowest end one that does both decoding and encoding of x264 and x265.

Thank you! I only found ONE on all of eBay that is single-slot, and of course it's some weird-looking one that has zero branding on it whatsoever:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NVIDIA-Geo...09/232943590864

I mean I've never seen a video card with no brand and no mention anywhere on the card of what the model number is. Does Aliexpress make fake video cards now or something or should I be OK ordering this one? My dumb ass motherboard has a PCI-E mini slot right under the graphics card slot so I'm limited to exactly this card I linked if I want a 1050

Viktor
Nov 12, 2005



https://developer.nvidia.com/video-...-support-matrix

P2000 is one of the cheapest unrestricted sessions GPU. It’s really nice if you want to quite a few transcodes at once.

Heners_UK
Jun 1, 2002


WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW posted:

motherboard has a PCI-E mini slot right under the graphics card slot

I have the same issue, if I put a dual slot graphics card in the TS430 (which also has to be bus powered so a GTX 1050 Ti looks likely), then I'll loose a PCI-e 1x slot beneath the 16x slot. I can see a bunch of extender cables on Amazon should I ever wish to use that slot, thanks to our new post bitcoin mining wasteland... but is that a workable idea? I think I may end up just loosing the slot but we'l see.

Variable 5
Apr 17, 2007
random

Grimey Drawer

Viktor posted:

https://developer.nvidia.com/video-...-support-matrix

P2000 is one of the cheapest unrestricted sessions GPU. It’s really nice if you want to quite a few transcodes at once.

I need some elaboration on this. What use cases would require multiple transcodes in hardware?

Because I'm thinking I may fall within them and I would like to evaluate hardware transcoding solutions in the near future.


Never mind, Amazon reviews have been incredibly enlightening.

Variable 5 fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Mar 5, 2019

Eletriarnation
Apr 6, 2005

People don't appreciate the substance of things...
objects in space.



Oven Wrangler

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW posted:

Thank you! I only found ONE on all of eBay that is single-slot, and of course it's some weird-looking one that has zero branding on it whatsoever:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NVIDIA-Geo...09/232943590864

I mean I've never seen a video card with no brand and no mention anywhere on the card of what the model number is. Does Aliexpress make fake video cards now or something or should I be OK ordering this one? My dumb ass motherboard has a PCI-E mini slot right under the graphics card slot so I'm limited to exactly this card I linked if I want a 1050

If you search the model number beginning with CN-0DVP... on one of the stickers, you'll find a lot of hits of similar looking cards. It seems to be an OEM card, which makes the lack of branding make a lot more sense - I had a similarly featureless OEM GT640.

It looks like the cooler is higher than single-slot and lines up with the data pins in the PCIe connector, so this still probably won't fit with an x1 in the next slot unless you replace the cooler.

Eletriarnation fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Mar 5, 2019

astral
Apr 26, 2004



ah yes, the well-known NVIDIA Geoforce

Chumbawumba4ever97
Dec 31, 2000



I'm surprised the 750ti isn't good enough for Plex decoding to be honest, especially since it had some sort of dedicated chip for video compression (possibly related to remote-play only; I'm not sure).

Chumbawumba4ever97 fucked around with this message at 01:32 on Mar 6, 2019

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Dec 6, 2014

CUCK SJW


This is also making me wonder if I should not just make this a gaming PC at this point. It's a Windows 10 machine, with 20 hard drives (13 internal, 7 external), an admittedly old 930 i7 but it's overclocked to 4.1ghz and is about to get a decent video card and 16gb of RAM. Now if all this thing is doing all day is using Sonarr, qbittorrent, and most importantly Plex, is there any reason I can't also use it for games at the same time? The days of me being able to sit in front of a gaming PC are over, but I have NVidia Shield TVs all over the house and Limelight worked great when I tried it years ago. Or is this going to be too much stuff for the PC to do at once? I am not expecting to play AAA 2019 releases with graphics set to high, but streaming Dead Rising 2 to my living room would be pretty awesome.

edit: I forgot to mention I also have a Plex Pass and its set to record live TV and I am guessing that is pretty intensive?

Eletriarnation posted:

If you search the model number beginning with CN-0DVP... on one of the stickers, you'll find a lot of hits of similar looking cards. It seems to be an OEM card, which makes the lack of branding make a lot more sense - I had a similarly featureless OEM GT640.

It looks like the cooler is higher than single-slot and lines up with the data pins in the PCIe connector, so this still probably won't fit with an x1 in the next slot unless you replace the cooler.

Thanks for the info!


Heners_UK posted:

I have the same issue, if I put a dual slot graphics card in the TS430 (which also has to be bus powered so a GTX 1050 Ti looks likely), then I'll loose a PCI-e 1x slot beneath the 16x slot. I can see a bunch of extender cables on Amazon should I ever wish to use that slot, thanks to our new post bitcoin mining wasteland... but is that a workable idea? I think I may end up just loosing the slot but we'l see.

Can you link me to the extender you've found? I just keep finding some other weird PSU extenders.

I have a USB 3.0 PCIe card and want to still be able to use it with the GTX 1050 installed. Luckily my Fractal Design case has two rear vertical PCI slots so this extender would work for me. If you have a case like this, it would work well for you too. If not, I really recommend this case. Not only does it internally hold 13 hard drives (2 of them being 2.5", the rest 3.5") but the hard drive area has its own two huge fans and you can access every part of the motherboard without having to remove anything, on top of all of the wires being hidden no matter how messy you want to be (the PSU is on the bottom and everything goes through holes to the motherboard so you are actually forced to make everything super neat and tidy; it's great).

Anyway I would greatly appreciate a link to the extender you found.

edit: also what exactly is this? https://www.ebay.com/itm/GTX1050Ti-...VI/382822201927

Is that a fake video card or something? How the hell is it that cheap? There's a bunch on eBay like that.

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Mar 6, 2019

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

I MEAN, TURN OFF YOURE MONITOR, MIGTH EXPLAIN YOUR BAD POSTS, HOPE THIS HELPS?!

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW posted:

This is also making me wonder if I should not just make this a gaming PC at this point. It's a Windows 10 machine, with 20 hard drives (13 internal, 7 external), an admittedly old 930 i7 but it's overclocked to 4.1ghz and is about to get a decent video card and 16gb of RAM. Now if all this thing is doing all day is using Sonarr, qbittorrent, and most importantly Plex, is there any reason I can't also use it for games at the same time? The days of me being able to sit in front of a gaming PC are over, but I have NVidia Shield TVs all over the house and Limelight worked great when I tried it years ago. Or is this going to be too much stuff for the PC to do at once? I am not expecting to play AAA 2019 releases with graphics set to high, but streaming Dead Rising 2 to my living room would be pretty awesome.

edit: I forgot to mention I also have a Plex Pass and its set to record live TV and I am guessing that is pretty intensive?


Thanks for the info!


Can you link me to the extender you've found? I just keep finding some other weird PSU extenders.

I have a USB 3.0 PCIe card and want to still be able to use it with the GTX 1050 installed. Luckily my Fractal Design case has two rear vertical PCI slots so this extender would work for me. If you have a case like this, it would work well for you too. If not, I really recommend this case. Not only does it internally hold 13 hard drives (2 of them being 2.5", the rest 3.5") but the hard drive area has its own two huge fans and you can access every part of the motherboard without having to remove anything, on top of all of the wires being hidden no matter how messy you want to be (the PSU is on the bottom and everything goes through holes to the motherboard so you are actually forced to make everything super neat and tidy; it's great).

Anyway I would greatly appreciate a link to the extender you found.

edit: also what exactly is this? https://www.ebay.com/itm/GTX1050Ti-...VI/382822201927

Is that a fake video card or something? How the hell is it that cheap? There's a bunch on eBay like that.

Probably used to mine buttcoins so expect it to have been run continuously for long periods of time in high heat conditions with shitty airflow?

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Dec 6, 2014

CUCK SJW


Schadenboner posted:

Probably used to mine buttcoins so expect it to have been run continuously for long periods of time in high heat conditions with shitty airflow?

No, it's brand new. There's literally a few dozen on ebay under $50 all brand new. I just have no clue "how"

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW posted:

No, it's brand new. There's literally a few dozen on ebay under $50 all brand new. I just have no clue "how"

My very uneducated guess: It's GTS 250 sold as 1050. Maybe even a bios hack to fool the OS for a while. I could be wrong and they just fell out of a truck or something and they're as legit as they come. Odds are I'm not wrong though.

WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW
Dec 6, 2014

CUCK SJW


Volguus posted:

My very uneducated guess: It's GTS 250 sold as 1050. Maybe even a bios hack to fool the OS for a while. I could be wrong and they just fell out of a truck or something and they're as legit as they come. Odds are I'm not wrong though.

Thanks. Just ordered a 1050 used for $125. I appreciate it!

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW posted:

Thanks. Just ordered a 1050 used for $125. I appreciate it!

But what if I'm wrong!!!!!

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