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Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003



Muldoon

Combat Pretzel posted:

When exactly did Western Digital buy Hitachi's storage division?!
It was announced 2 and a half years ago (March 2011) but took a long time to complete due to China.

Civil
Apr 21, 2003

Do you see this? This means "Have a nice day".

That sucks. So now it's just Toshiba, Western Digital, and Seagate making all hard drives?

I just now found out that Samsung sold out to Seagate.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003



Muldoon

Civil posted:

That sucks. So now it's just Toshiba, Western Digital, and Seagate making all hard drives?

I just now found out that Samsung sold out to Seagate.
Enjoy!


Also this chart is somewhat misleading how it has Hitachi 3.5" going to Toshiba and 2.5" going to WD. Toshiba just ended up with Hitachi's 3.5" media manufacturing; not the drives themselves.

Star War Sex Parrot fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Nov 5, 2013

Pudgygiant
Apr 8, 2004

Garnet and black? More like gold and blue or whatever the fuck colors these are

To make it even more confusing, WD/HGST makes Hitachi and IBM branded drives for enterprise level stuff. We've got a SAN downstairs filled with HGST, Hitachi, and IBM drives that are THE EXACT SAME MODEL.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





So I've been having a bit of fun tearing apart the drives that come out of my NAS once they fail - since aside from the three Reds, they're all long out of warranty (and have a shitton of hours).

I wonder why this Samsung HD154UI was making a horrible sound!




The odd thing to me is that unlike the old 500GB WD Blue I pulled apart ages ago, there doesn't seem to be any possible position for the heads to actually come off of the discs altogether. The WD had a little plastic piece to ramp the heads on/off the outside of the discs, but it looks like in this the parking position is up against the center of the spindle.

Oh well; I still have at least one spare 1.5TB left, and this drive's siblings (I have one with a S/N right next to this one, and a few within 20) keep chugging along.

phongn
Oct 21, 2006



Star War Sex Parrot posted:

Also this chart is somewhat misleading how it has Hitachi 3.5" going to Toshiba and 2.5" going to WD. Toshiba just ended up with Hitachi's 3.5" media manufacturing; not the drives themselves.
I think they got drives themselves, too: Toshiba's DT01ACA is a relabeled HGST 7K3000 (I bought six DT01ACA300s, five identify as HGST and one identifies as Toshiba)

Pudgygiant posted:

To make it even more confusing, WD/HGST makes Hitachi and IBM branded drives for enterprise level stuff. We've got a SAN downstairs filled with HGST, Hitachi, and IBM drives that are THE EXACT SAME MODEL.
Well, HGST was IBM's hard drive division before Hitachi purchased it, so that should make some sense. A lot of enterprise kit is relabeled from someone else (though possibly with customized firmware and tightened QA and validation for the VAR model)

phongn fucked around with this message at 02:32 on Nov 5, 2013

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

IOwnCalculus posted:

The odd thing to me is that unlike the old 500GB WD Blue I pulled apart ages ago, there doesn't seem to be any possible position for the heads to actually come off of the discs altogether. The WD had a little plastic piece to ramp the heads on/off the outside of the discs, but it looks like in this the parking position is up against the center of the spindle.
Yeah, off-platter ramps are a WD thing. Most other manufacturers have dedicated parking zones on the platters. That's why I don't like non-WD drives for power cycling, in regards to longevity, since the heads will be touching the platter until significant air flow's been built-up while spinning up.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

~this is me posting irl~


Dell SAS 6/iR controller with two SATA drives in a RAID-1. If I pull one of the drives, can I plug it into another computer and read the data like it was a normal hard drive?

grizzlepants
Jan 14, 2008



Farmer Crack-Ass posted:

Dell SAS 6/iR controller with two SATA drives in a RAID-1. If I pull one of the drives, can I plug it into another computer and read the data like it was a normal hard drive?

Yup, as long as the OS you're plugging into can mount whatever file system is on the drive.

grizzlepants fucked around with this message at 21:52 on Nov 5, 2013

Gozinbulx
Feb 19, 2004


Maybe this is a silly question, but wouldn't a helium-sealed HDD, with all the electronics involved, be liable to explode into a fireball?

taint toucher
Sep 23, 2004




Gozinbulx posted:

Maybe this is a silly question, but wouldn't a helium-sealed HDD, with all the electronics involved, be liable to explode into a fireball?

Helium is an inert gas.

G-Prime
Apr 30, 2003

Baby, when it's love,
if it's not rough it isn't fun.


Gozinbulx posted:

Maybe this is a silly question, but wouldn't a helium-sealed HDD, with all the electronics involved, be liable to explode into a fireball?

You're thinking of Hydrogen.

Pardot
Jul 25, 2001


Stupid naturally safe helium.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.


Gozinbulx posted:

Maybe this is a silly question, but wouldn't a helium-sealed HDD, with all the electronics involved, be liable to explode into a fireball?

No, but if you aren't careful in certain conditions your hard drive can float off of your desk and bounce into the ceiling.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

I love the succulent taste of cop boots

Agrikk posted:

No, but if you aren't careful in certain conditions your hard drive can float off of your desk and bounce into the ceiling.

How many hard drives would it take to lift your whole PC off the table?

SopWATh
Jun 1, 2000


Why not use a low vacuum rather than helium? Wouldn't no gas have less friction than an ideal gas?

SopWATh fucked around with this message at 22:10 on Nov 6, 2013

Galler
Jan 28, 2008



I believe the heads ride on a cushion of air so a vacuum would prove problematic.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003



Muldoon

Galler posted:

I believe the heads ride on a cushion of air so a vacuum would prove problematic.
Correct. It's absurd how many different practices go into designing hard drives: chemical engineers, aeronautical engineers, software engineers, physicists... it's a really long list.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

I love the succulent taste of cop boots

I have nitrogen in my tires

yomisei
Mar 18, 2011


SopWATh posted:

Why not use a low vacuum rather than helium? Wouldn't no gas have less friction than an ideal gas?

A vacuum will eventually be gone due to low pressure and leaks, sucking air in. Then you got the mess with a drive not running in its intended state.

Also, make sure you don't store any audio data on your helium filled disk.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.


yomisei posted:

Also, make sure you don't store any audio data on your helium filled disk.

Because during playback, your death metal growls will be converted to chipmunk-style squeaks.

It's because of the helium, you see...

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006



yomisei posted:

A vacuum will eventually be gone due to low pressure and leaks, sucking air in. Then you got the mess with a drive not running in its intended state.

No. The reason that vacuum does not make was already stated. Furthermore, we have had the ability to create long-lasting vacuum seals for over a hundred years. There are vacuum apparatus from the 1800s that are still under vacuum today.

To go even further, there would be no convective heat transfer in a hypothetical vacuum-sealed hard disk, which would lead to more complications that I wouldn't begin to speculate on.

Bob Morales posted:

I have nitrogen in my tires

Everybody has about 80% nitrogen in their tires except the suckers who pay extra for higher purity for some marketing-defined reasons.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

I love the succulent taste of cop boots

DNova posted:

No. The reason that vacuum does not make was already stated. Furthermore, we have had the ability to create long-lasting vacuum seals for over a hundred years. There are vacuum apparatus from the 1800s that are still under vacuum today.

To go even further, there would be no convective heat transfer in a hypothetical vacuum-sealed hard disk, which would lead to more complications that I wouldn't begin to speculate on.


Everybody has about 80% nitrogen in their tires except the suckers who pay extra for higher purity for some marketing-defined reasons.

Some people are joking

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006



Bob Morales posted:

Some people are joking

I'm imaging you saying this while looking shamefully at your $6.95 nitrogen tire fill receipt.

kalicki
Jan 5, 2004

Every King needs his jester


I've got three spare WD Green drives of various sizes and a spare computer. Obviously not the best setup for a RAID type system, and I'm fine with just having single drives with no redundancy.

That said, what are my options for running an OS off of a USB stick?

I think I can run something like FreeNAS with each of those drives being their own zpool, but is there a better option out there for this usecase?

Dr. Video Games 0050
Nov 28, 2007


What's the best deal (hopefully in Canada) to get about 6TB of storage in a device that a Mac or PC can connect to - I suppose RAID as it seems to be a better option if something goes wrong - but it sounds too complicated, even after reading the OP and the last 4-5 pages.

Any help would be great.

Civil
Apr 21, 2003

Do you see this? This means "Have a nice day".

Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:

What's the best deal (hopefully in Canada) to get about 6TB of storage in a device that a Mac or PC can connect to - I suppose RAID as it seems to be a better option if something goes wrong - but it sounds too complicated, even after reading the OP and the last 4-5 pages.

Any help would be great.
I assume you don't have spare hardware laying around and you don't want anything messy.

http://www.amazon.ca/Synology-DS212.../dp/B005YW7OLM/ x1
http://www.amazon.ca/Western-Digita.../dp/B008JJLW4M/ x2

I also assumed that by 6TB you meant 3TB redundant.

Dr. Video Games 0050
Nov 28, 2007


Civil posted:

I assume you don't have spare hardware laying around and you don't want anything messy.

http://www.amazon.ca/Synology-DS212.../dp/B005YW7OLM/ x1
http://www.amazon.ca/Western-Digita.../dp/B008JJLW4M/ x2

I also assumed that by 6TB you meant 3TB redundant.

Hey thanks man I'm going to bookmark those pages and buy in the next few months. Easy to set up? I just want it hooked up to my PC 90% of the time, but also use it as a a Time Machine backup for my wife's MacBook Air.

Civil
Apr 21, 2003

Do you see this? This means "Have a nice day".

Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:

Hey thanks man I'm going to bookmark those pages and buy in the next few months. Easy to set up? I just want it hooked up to my PC 90% of the time, but also use it as a a Time Machine backup for my wife's MacBook Air.

Dead simple setup. Tons of features if you want it, but it's rock solid as a server. I use mine with iOS (just media), Android, Mac, and Windows.

http://www.synology.com/us/solution...ime_machine.php

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Fun Shoe

Synology is probably the best for consumer NAS stuff if you don't want to roll your own. I've setup a few units for friends and family, the feature set for the price is really good and the hardware itself is usually very stable and performs more than adequately. I hear good things about their tech support too.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

I love the succulent taste of cop boots

I have four 5-bay Synologies at work and they are fine except for when you reboot or power one off and you need to waiitn24 hrs for it to check the disks

stray
Jun 28, 2005

"It's a jet pack, Michael. What could possibly go wrong?"


Can anyone recommend a couple of decent PCIe NICs that work well with FreeNAS and won't cost an arm and a leg? I'm looking for one WiFi and one Ethernet, but none of the NICs I have work with it.

Dr. Video Games 0050
Nov 28, 2007


Thank all of you very much for spending the time to help. It seems like a clear winner!

Thanks

evol262
Nov 30, 2010
#!/usr/bin/perl

stray posted:

Can anyone recommend a couple of decent PCIe NICs that work well with FreeNAS and won't cost an arm and a leg? I'm looking for one WiFi and one Ethernet, but none of the NICs I have work with it.
Atheros WiFi. Intel NIC (dual or quad port).

kiwid
Sep 30, 2013



stray posted:

Can anyone recommend a couple of decent PCIe NICs that work well with FreeNAS and won't cost an arm and a leg? I'm looking for one WiFi and one Ethernet, but none of the NICs I have work with it.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I have 5 of those and they all work amazing. You can request the low profile brackets ($10 extra) if you order from that AMTECH place.

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.


kalicki posted:

I've got three spare WD Green drives of various sizes and a spare computer. Obviously not the best setup for a RAID type system, and I'm fine with just having single drives with no redundancy.

That said, what are my options for running an OS off of a USB stick?

I think I can run something like FreeNAS with each of those drives being their own zpool, but is there a better option out there for this usecase?

You can do it with NexentaStor community edition and Openfiler. I hear you can actually do it with Windows Server, but you have to do a bunch of wack shit to make it work.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

~this is me posting irl~


G-Prime posted:

You're thinking of Hydrogen.

Also, if it was a pure hydrogen environment, wouldn't it be unable to combust in the absence of oxygen?

G-Prime
Apr 30, 2003

Baby, when it's love,
if it's not rough it isn't fun.


Farmer Crack-Ass posted:

Also, if it was a pure hydrogen environment, wouldn't it be unable to combust in the absence of oxygen?

Correct. Which means the possibility of danger is negligible, unless the seal on the drive breaks. Even then it's questionable. Hydrogen spontaneously combusts when mixed with air at 500 deg C. Of course, a spark from the power supply could set it off, but if your power supply is throwing sparks, you've got much bigger concerns than your hard drive.

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

I think the bigger concern is still the safe, cheap manufacture of the drives themselves on top of the considerations for consumers.

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

~this is me posting irl~


Well, and how much air volume is there in a hard drive? Even if it ignited I doubt it would be a big explosion.

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