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M1015 went up in price substantially these past few years after liquidators started running out of them and realized they were hot sellers on ebay. I grabbed a Dell H200 (there's several models / versions - be careful), used a tape trick over a PCI-e pin, and flashed it to IT mode last year. $30 I think it was. In some weirdness, I started seeing M1115 controllers going for only $50 for a while too. I'd just check the forums on servethehome.com and looking for any ebay deals that get posted. If the controller can only recognize so much of the physical disk and you created your ZFS vdev as disk references rather than partition references like some people do, you shouldn't need to do a resize or replacement of the array once the controller is switched out and begins to report a new addressable size and compares against the currently provisioned block device. You just need to make sure the zpool was created with auto resize (on by default on my distributions). If you really had to, I suspect simply removing / replacing a drive with itself would cause zfs to reindex across the devices in the vdev to fill out the available space (it would have to check the maximum possible size of the vdev upon a forcible refresh basically).
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Just got a M1115 for $55 and free shipping, so thanks for the heads up on that.
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smax posted:12 drives of questionable age and use history in a RAID 0. What could possibly go wrong? Just 2 drives at a time guys, 300GB + 300GB is how I got to the 600GB ![]() Have SSDs recently gotten bigger and more reliable? When I put this PC together a few years ago about 256GB was as big as you wanted to get before you started seeing performance/lifetime issues. Though I agree a 12 drive RAID 0 (with 2nd hand drives) would be pretty funny to hear about...
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More reliable? What year is this?
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Takes No Damage posted:Have SSDs recently gotten bigger and more reliable? When I put this PC together a few years ago about 256GB was as big as you wanted to get before you started seeing performance/lifetime issues.
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I got all that from the SSD thread, but as I said it was a few years ago so I'm sure the technology has improved. At the time the thread was recommending pretty much exclusively Samsung in either 128 or 256GB. And as an update it turns out this is even better than I thought! This damn thing was only 2/3 full, and of the 8 drives only 5 are 300GB, the other 3 are 146GB ![]()
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The price is zero dollars, your time, electricity bill, SAS HBA, and the inevitable hearing damage.
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Don Lapre posted:More reliable? What year is this? Apparently there year where we are talking about reusing hardware with 146GB drives.
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Thanks Ants posted:Heads up that the latest DSM release fixes the SMB permissions problem where you couldn't set them from Windows (you'd get an RPC failure and something about the machine not being on the domain). I hope the venn diagram of "people running AD" and "people running Synology" has quite a small crossover but I know they aren't uncommon to use as backup repositories. And another release, Update 6 is now out because there was some vulnerability in it. DSM 6.0 is off to a pretty rocky start.
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Thanks Ants posted:The price is zero dollars, your time, electricity bill, SAS HBA, and the inevitable hearing damage. You seem to have read around the part where I pulled the drives out of the chassis, I'm not using that anymore mainly for the reasons you just mentioned. Internet Explorer posted:Apparently there year where we are talking about reusing hardware with 146GB drives. I like to salvage old stuff and keep it useful for something. I still remote into an old IBM Thinkpad running Lubuntu that I just hung a bunch of USB drives on as a ghetto file server. I don't know why, it's just kind of fun to me to get obsolete gear working again. Maybe I have Modern Computing Poo Brain ![]()
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You'll still need something that talks SAS to run those disks off.
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Takes No Damage posted:Just 2 drives at a time guys, 300GB + 300GB is how I got to the 600GB I just bought and install 2x1TB Samsung 850 EVO drives and set them up as RAID-0, going swimmingly so far. SSDs are great, and so much less hassle than spinning disks. Didn't have anywhere to mount them, so just taped them together and they sit on top of my almost completely useless DVD-RW.
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edit: Never mind. I just bought the 6TB Red and after it's done scanning, I'm going to see whether I simply misremembered or if these enclosures actually do force you to format again to use a drive through them. That supposedly shouldn't be the case, but I'll find out for certain soon enough.
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Thermopyle posted:Also, if I've got a zfs pool of 4TB drives on a SAS1068E controller (which only supports up to 2TB drives) and then move that pool to a controller that supports 4TB drives...what do I need to do to make use of that newly-available space? Will ZFS do it automatically?
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Thanks Ants posted:You'll still need something that talks SAS to run those disks off. Just came here to bitch about that. Who's got two thumbs and didn't know what SAS was before tonight? ![]() ![]() Skandranon posted:I just bought and install 2x1TB Samsung 850 EVO drives and set them up as RAID-0, going swimmingly so far. SSDs are great, and so much less hassle than spinning disks. Didn't have anywhere to mount them, so just taped them together and they sit on top of my almost completely useless DVD-RW. Oh no doubt my next PC will be all SSD, I just my current system together right as SSD was the new hotness but not quite there in terms of reliability or cost. It sounds like now they totally are and probably in a few more years there just won't be any reason to get a platter drive at all.
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Takes No Damage posted:Just came here to bitch about that. Who's got two thumbs and didn't know what SAS was before tonight? I mean you could do all that Thanks Ants fucked around with this message at 12:06 on May 7, 2016 |
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Watermelon Daiquiri posted:Why not just build something in this bad boy? I hope nobody ITT actually buys one of those. I have seen a server built with one where every drive bay was filled and everyone involved regretted their poor life decisions before it was first booted up.
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Takes No Damage posted:Just came here to bitch about that. Who's got two thumbs and didn't know what SAS was before tonight? You'd want something like this cable instead: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B010CMW6S4 But seriously please reconsider before it's too late! This is an intervention. If it actually was going to cost you $0, that would be one thing, you could certainly justify playing around with them. But because you need a SAS controller, it's going to cost you real money (even if you scrounge for a cheaper used controller), and the problem with putting any money into this is the drives you're rescuing from the garbage are, in TYOOL 2016, objectively pieces of shit. With capacities like 146GB and 300GB and the SAS interface, they are likely to be 10K or 15K RPM drives. That means they're fast -- but they're fast for HDDs. Next to any modern SSD's F1 race car, they are econoboxes powered by hamsters. And the side effect of being what was once a super fast enterprise HDD is that they're going to be obnoxiously loud and power hungry, to the extent that standard PC case HDD cooling may not cut it (especially if you stack a bunch of them in close quarters). To cap it all off, these drives have done years of service, presumably powered 24/7. Even enterprise grade HDDs wear out. They are not on the good side of the bathtub failure rate curve. BobHoward fucked around with this message at 11:45 on May 7, 2016 |
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Takes No Damage posted:It sounds like now they totally are and probably in a few more years there just won't be any reason to get a platter drive at all.
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BobHoward posted:You'd want something like this cable instead: I'm still weighing my options. The drives are all 15k RPM, and while I could move things around so they aren't sitting right next to each other the noise and heat would be a factor. This unit was something that one of our developers got for testing and I guess ended up not needing it, so he just gave it to our IT guy. He took a look and (apparently rightly) decided it wasn't worth messing with and just left it out grabs. So while I don't know their exact history I think they could be considered relatively new. And part of the reason I jumped on this is I'm actually running out of space pretty bad on my main and games/movies drive so I was already looking for a way to split off the big game installs. Having said all that, yeaaaaaa you guys are probably right. I didn't know SSD had matured so much, I can get a pair of 240GB Mushkins for 120bux and it probably isn't even necessary to RAID 0 SSDs yet so the Samsung that Ants linked would probably be even better. Oh well, it was a fun dream while it lasted. Wonder if anybody on Craigslist wants this fuckin thing ![]()
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I hopped on that WD Red closeout at office depot, grabbing 3 of the 3TB drives and re purposed an old machine (e8400) with unRAID. Finally got it set up with Sickrage, Couchpotato, and TimeMachine. Best. Thing. Ever. Seriously, how did I go this long without a NAS/home server?
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Viper_3000 posted:I hopped on that WD Red closeout at office depot, grabbing 3 of the 3TB drives and re purposed an old machine (e8400) with unRAID. Finally got it set up with Sickrage, Couchpotato, and TimeMachine. How is unRAID these days? Is it preferable / easier to set up than something like FreeNAS? Interested getting it serve files (duh) but also couch potato, time machine for macs at home, etc. About to buy / build a NAS myself and am also debating on buying NAS appliance like synology or to go with something like a Dell or HP server.
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What's the general opinion on self-contained raid DAS connected to a small always-on pc? I'm looking at a few 5 bay RAID5 options, but having never done other than RAID0 a decade ago, i'm behind on the times. http://www.amazon.com/Mobius-trade-...e/dp/B00CH94GMK http://www.amazon.com/Enclosure-Ter...l/dp/B01DW1X348 And I guess wd red is the way to go for ssd? This is coming hot off a 6tb dying and spending 6 days recovering it with ddrescue. Figured it's time to be an adult nerd and have proper backup/redundancy.
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DrDork posted:For anything other than mass storage or spiteful cost cutting we're already there--in fact, the inflection point was probably sometime last year. You can frequently find 512GB middle-of-the-pack SSDs for ~$100. Yeah, I'd say there's basically no reason anyone buying / building a new computer should worry at all about spinning disk except for digital packrats. My main desktop has a 480GB SSD in it along with the old 750GB hard drive I originally built it with... I think that drive might actually be empty right now because if I don't want to store it on the SSD, I just pull it straight over the network anyway. Anyone who isn't doing some form of NAS should either jump on that, or just put everything in ~*the cloud*~ and save themselves the hassle..
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Grabbed two WD 8TB Reds and the screw holes on the bottom of the drives don't match the positions on the Fractal Define R5 tray itself so I can't use all 4 screws. The holes on the sides are the same compared to my older drives but they're unusable with Fractal R5 drive trays. I was in a rush to install them so I haven't taken pictures of my own. Tried to resize the images found online as best as possible so the drives look the same size, you can clearly see the spacing between screw holes is quite different. Never had issues like these with either my old WD Reds or Seagate drives already installed. Buyer beware, I guess. ![]()
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Shaocaholica posted:Anyone here have issues with Kodi not coming back from sleep? Either not waking, waking the display or coming back with no sound, etc. Basically a broken state after sleep. I had that issue, check out my posts on the Kodi thread for details starting with this one.
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fletcher posted:I had that issue, check out my posts on the Kodi thread for details starting with this one. Thanks boss
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Storm- posted:Grabbed two WD 8TB Reds and the screw holes on the bottom of the drives don't match the positions on the Fractal Define R5 tray itself so I can't use all 4 screws. The holes on the sides are the same compared to my older drives but they're unusable with Fractal R5 drive trays. The problem comes from manefacturers using more platters in order to get such a high density in a single drive, a practice that's sometimes used when companies want to deliver higher-density drives when they haven't yet perfected a method for getting more density on each platter - I believe the WD Red 8TB line disks uses 6 1.33TB platters vs. for example 4x 1TB platters in the WD Red 4TB line.
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Same thing with the damn 8TB Seagates. Wrong screw holes.
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Are the 8TB Reds using PMR? Has anything changed with PMR in the last year or so?
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Many years ago 2.5" HDDs had a major shift in mounting screw hole location for pretty much the same reason, the difference being that everyone converted all their products and the old mounting hole pattern is a distant memory.
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D. Ebdrup posted:I've seen disks with this screw-hole layout before and where the holes haven't fit the disk bays on the bottom, the fix has been to just use two screws and get some rubber feet from a hobby shop that's the same height as the rubber feet that are included with the case. The drives can be kept in place just fine and the two extra rubber feet prevent vibrations from the HDD from spreading. The Fractal R5 has little rubber feet/grommets that can be inserted into every drive tray so I just used all four feet but only two screws. Should be fine, feet will eliminate any vibrations and it's not like the drives are shaking so hard that two screws won't be able to handle it. ![]() BobHoward posted:Many years ago 2.5" HDDs had a major shift in mounting screw hole location for pretty much the same reason, the difference being that everyone converted all their products and the old mounting hole pattern is a distant memory. Yeah, figured the extra platter is in the way, though it does seem likes there is a bit of space in the plastic shell just between the platters and the PCB. Then just adjust the other two holes within the PCB. Though, maybe some internals are in the way, what do I know.
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Storm- posted:Yeah, figured the extra platter is in the way, though it does seem likes there is a bit of space in the plastic shell just between the platters and the PCB. Then just adjust the other two holes within the PCB. Though, maybe some internals are in the way, what do I know. Plastic shell? I only see the HDD's chassis, which is cast aluminum with a really thick black anodize. The conflict is definitely with the platters. Look at that 2TB drive which still has the old pattern, those 2 holes are almost at the platter centerline. If you want to fill the entire thickness of the 3.5" half height form factor with platters, those screw holes have to go.
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My friend has a used server he built for sale and I don't really know what a fair price for me to buy it would be. Any ideas? I'm just going to look and see if I can find used prices for each component. His labor costs wouldn't apply. CPU = Intel Xeon E3-1220v3 Haswell 3.1 GHz | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16819116907 Mobo = Supermicro MBD-X10SLL-F-) uATX Server Motherboard | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16813182819 Memory = Kingston 32GB (4x8GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM ECC Unbuffered DDR3 1600 Server Memory | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16820239371 Raid Card = LSI Internal SATA/SAS 9211-8i 6Gb/s PCI Express 2.0 RAID Controller Card | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16816118113 Power Supply = EVGA 500 W1 80+ 500W Continuous Power | http://www.amazon.com/EVGA-Continuo...ailpage_o00_s00 Hard Drives = (x8) Seagate 3TB Desktop HDD SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5inch Internal Bare Drive | http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Deskt...ailpage_o09_s00 Case = NORCO RPC-4308 4U Rackmount Short Depth 15.25" | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16811219051
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KingKapalone posted:My friend has a used server he built for sale and I don't really know what a fair price for me to buy it would be. Any ideas? I'm just going to look and see if I can find used prices for each component. His labor costs wouldn't apply. Can't help you much, aside from suggesting he completely discount the value of the hard drives. You're going to want to replace all of those 3TB Seagates.
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smax posted:Can't help you much, aside from suggesting he completely discount the value of the hard drives. You're going to want to replace all of those 3TB Seagates. Yeah, you really don't want those ST3000DM001. They are liable to die any day now. You'd have to pay me to store anything on them.
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PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant CPU: AMD 5350 2.05Ghz Quad-Core Processor ($36.99 @ SuperBiiz) Motherboard: ASRock AM1H-ITX Mini ITX AM1 Motherboard ($49.98 @ OutletPC) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($57.88 @ OutletPC) Storage: Western Digital Red 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($149.89 @ OutletPC) Storage: Western Digital Red 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($149.89 @ OutletPC) Storage: Western Digital Red 4TB 3.5" 5900RPM Internal Hard Drive ($149.89 @ OutletPC) Case: Fractal Design Core 500 Mini ITX Desktop Case ($59.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: SeaSonic 360W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz) Total: $713.50 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-05-14 11:10 EDT-0400 Just doing a quick update on this build that I posted about a month ago, I am using unRAID and this setup has been working flawlessly. Running the usual suspects (deluge, couchpotato, sickrage, htpc manager and a discord bot) most of my devices are Kodi based but I do also run a Plex server since I travel sometimes and being able to access it on my iPad or laptop. I have room for one more 4TB which i'll wait till it's really cheap.
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Kind of off-topic but this DiscordApp looks very nice, does it work as well as they advertise? Can you self-host the server?
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Furism posted:Kind of off-topic but this DiscordApp looks very nice, does it work as well as they advertise? Can you self-host the server? Easy way to describe discord is a less serious version of Slack, you can create your own servers which are hosted on Discord's end and you can manage it however you want. You can locate the server/voip channels on the fly to different regions it works really well.
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My media drive recently died and I'm kicking myself for not having any kind of backup for it. Anything important was backed up, but I'm still annoyed to lose 15 years of assorted crap like downloaded let plays. I vaguely know about RAID and am considering getting 2 drives set up as RAID 1 so this doesn't happen again. I'm not running a server or anything, this would just be for watching on my computer or streaming on my Roku via Plex. Is RAID the way to go for media on a personal (gaming) computer? Should I use the build in Windows 10 tool or buy some other hardward/software?
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