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SamDabbers
May 26, 2003



Fallen Rib

the_lion posted:

So baby's first Synology DS214se arrived.

I'm using a mac, chucking 2x4TB WD reds in it. I've read a little bit, but is there a good do/don't list for using a NAS?

Mainly, it's just to protect my important family photos etc.

Do use RAID 1 (a.k.a. mirroring) if you're using two disks.
Do make backup copies of your important data.
Do store your backups at a different location (e.g. a relative's house) from your main copy.
Don't think you'll be safe storing your important photos only on the NAS. RAID is not backup!

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

the_lion posted:

I'm using a mac, chucking 2x4TB WD reds in it. I've read a little bit, but is there a good do/don't list for using a NAS?

Mainly, it's just to protect my important family photos etc.
Set it up for RAID 1. Put it on a UPS of some sort (doesn't need to be a big one). Leave it alone (part of what you pay for with Synology is not having to fuck with settings and whatnot very much).

Also back up your photos to a cloud service, like Box or something.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

Thanks guys, that helps.

I've got a few backups on various drives besides this one, this is more of a fail safe I guess.

Is there a good brand I should go for with the UPS? I had a look, APC seemed to come up a lot.

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004


the_lion posted:

Thanks guys, that helps.

I've got a few backups on various drives besides this one, this is more of a fail safe I guess.

Is there a good brand I should go for with the UPS? I had a look, APC seemed to come up a lot.

Synology has a user-reported compatibility list up. Get one with USB so the NAS can track battery levels and gracefully shutdown during an extended outage.

The APC BE350G is pretty cheap and should run your unit for at least half an hour. I use a BE550G with my larger Synology and it works great.

SamDabbers
May 26, 2003



Fallen Rib

the_lion posted:

Is there a good brand I should go for with the UPS? I had a look, APC seemed to come up a lot.

I've been satisfied with the Cyberpower "pure sinewave" line. I was previously using a low-end "non-sinewave" UPS and it failed to keep my PC with its fancy active PFC power supply running when switching over to battery, but I haven't had that problem with the Cyberpower unit.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

I love the succulent taste of cop boots

A UPS is a must-have. The last thing you want is your NAS losing power and then waiting 24+ hours for it to check the disks. Ugh.

thebigcow
Jan 3, 2001

Bully!

the_lion posted:

So baby's first Synology DS214se arrived.

I'm using a mac, chucking 2x4TB WD reds in it. I've read a little bit, but is there a good do/don't list for using a NAS?

Mainly, it's just to protect my important family photos etc.

If the only copy is on the NAS you haven't protected anything.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless You Ants, Blants



Fun Shoe

Any reason why you would RAID1 a two-bay NAS rather than setting one volume as the data and the other one taking the backups of that volume?

AlternateAccount
Apr 25, 2005
FYGM

Caged posted:

Any reason why you would RAID1 a two-bay NAS rather than setting one volume as the data and the other one taking the backups of that volume?

Mainly if the live drive fails, you can't access anything until you replace it and do a restore.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


Bob Morales posted:

A UPS is a must-have. The last thing you want is your NAS losing power and then waiting 24+ hours for it to check the disks. Ugh.

Make sure the UPS has a usb port and is supported by your nas software also.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





AlternateAccount posted:

Mainly if the live drive fails, you can't access anything until you replace it and do a restore.

Also, a backup living in the same machine isn't much of a backup (what if the power supply fails or gets zapped by a storm and nukes both drives, what if the controller goes bezerk and writes garbage to both drives, box catches fire, so on and so forth).

phosdex
Dec 16, 2005



Tortured By Flan

Google is now selling 1 tb for $10/mo.

Is there software that can sort of manage and utilize multiple cloud storage services? Like an automated distributed backup?

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003



Muldoon

phosdex posted:

Google is now selling 1 tb for $10/mo.

Is there software that can sort of manage and utilize multiple cloud storage services? Like an automated distributed backup?
Arq is fantastic if you're on a Mac. Version 4 just came out that added non-Amazon storage options:

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Fun Shoe

My brother needs his fileserver in his living room for whatever reason and already bought everything except the case. What's a decent, small case that'll take a MicroATX board and is relatively quiet? Only needs to take 2-4 hard drives tops.

Civil
Apr 21, 2003

Do you see this? This means "Have a nice day".

RMA on Toshiba drive update:

Their website is really simple. Enter model to be returned, type in a description of your error, enter credit card number for advance shipment. This shows up 2 days later, new drive in retail packaging. I'll wipe my existing drive before sending it back, but it was painless, and required no approval. Not sure if someone will get back at me for my drive not being broken enough, but we'll see.

The URL posted earlier was the only reason I could process this. Google/navigating through Toshiba's own site was frustrating. They don't want people RMA'ing stuff.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





The Gunslinger posted:

My brother needs his fileserver in his living room for whatever reason and already bought everything except the case. What's a decent, small case that'll take a MicroATX board and is relatively quiet? Only needs to take 2-4 hard drives tops.

Dunno about quiet but 2-4 drives, come on, go for this bad boy.



I can totally see using one of these for my next server iteration.

DJ Commie
Feb 29, 2004

Stupid drivers always breaking car, Gronk fix car...


I've never liked the front-side offset ports much, especially ones that are 'sideways.' It just seems like you'd smack/break them trying to get into the case. I understand that ports on the front can look like shit (my N36L for example), but really it is a functionality compromise for aesthetics.

Sickening
Jul 16, 2007

BLack Summer was the Best Summer

Anybody have any experience with EMC's pricing model? We haven't made it to the stage of the itemized quote yet, but I am interested to know where the money is made. The usual suspect is always support, but I am really curious to the pricing of their fast cache disks.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Fun Shoe

IOwnCalculus posted:

Dunno about quiet but 2-4 drives, come on, go for this bad boy.



I can totally see using one of these for my next server iteration.

I was actually drooling over that earlier for my own purposes but sadly for his it would be complete overkill and I don't see any available yet in Canuckistan. I need something like a Node 304 (well ok slightly larger is fine) that takes a micro ATX board.

GokieKS
Dec 15, 2012

Mostly Harmless.


Sickening posted:

Anybody have any experience with EMC's pricing model? We haven't made it to the stage of the itemized quote yet, but I am interested to know where the money is made. The usual suspect is always support, but I am really curious to the pricing of their fast cache disks.

This is the thread you're looking for.

The Gunslinger posted:

My brother needs his fileserver in his living room for whatever reason and already bought everything except the case. What's a decent, small case that'll take a MicroATX board and is relatively quiet? Only needs to take 2-4 hard drives tops.

BitFenix Prodigy M / Phenom MicroATX are probably the smallest mATX cases that will hold 4 3.5" drives without much fuss. If you want something more traditional in appearance, Silverstone TJ-08E and Fractal Design Define Mini might be worth looking at.

As for the Node 804... it does look intriguing, but I was less than impressed with the final product in the case of the Node 304, and honestly this strikes me as a really weird choice that tries to be decent at both for use as a storage box or as a normal PC/server, but makes a lot of compromises in each.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

The Gunslinger posted:

I was actually drooling over that earlier for my own purposes but sadly for his it would be complete overkill and I don't see any available yet in Canuckistan. I need something like a Node 304 (well ok slightly larger is fine) that takes a micro ATX board.
Maybe the Corsair Carbide Air 540?

Seriously, though, you can cram 2-4 drives into almost any case out there, and the quiet part is going to be largely a function of what fans you opt for (including the PSU).

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


GokieKS posted:

This is the thread you're looking for.


BitFenix Prodigy M / Phenom MicroATX are probably the smallest mATX cases that will hold 4 3.5" drives without much fuss. If you want something more traditional in appearance, Silverstone TJ-08E and Fractal Design Define Mini might be worth looking at.

As for the Node 804... it does look intriguing, but I was less than impressed with the final product in the case of the Node 304, and honestly this strikes me as a really weird choice that tries to be decent at both for use as a storage box or as a normal PC/server, but makes a lot of compromises in each.

If you are doing it for NAS duties look at the Lian li q25. It has 5 hot swap bays.

edit: im dumb, q25 is itx.

Don Lapre fucked around with this message at 04:33 on Mar 15, 2014

deimos
Nov 30, 2006

Forget it man this bat is whack, it's got poobrain!


Don Lapre posted:

If you are doing it for NAS duties look at the Lian li q25. It has 5 hot swap bays.

He's looking for mATX not ITX

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


deimos posted:

He's looking for mATX not ITX

Ohh my bad.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

I kind of expected that there'd be a learning curve but I'm having difficulty with my DS214se.
Not surprised.

I cannot seem to login to find.synology.com and use the web assistant.

It's not finding anything, and the synology assistant isn't finding it either. I can however, connect to it via Finder/ OSX 10.9 just fine to transfer files.

I only changed a few things like setting up RAID 1 instead of Synology Hybrid Raid. I did turn a few options on like sharing etc. Unfortunately, I can't figure out the IP address to connect to it - I did some googling but couldn't find out how i get around this.

The ds214se is connected straight to my machine via ethernet, if that helps.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?



the_lion posted:

Unfortunately, I can't figure out the IP address to connect to it - I did some googling but couldn't find out how i get around this.

The ds214se is connected straight to my machine via ethernet, if that helps.

Your router admin page probably displays the ip addresses of all connected devices somewhere.

Alternatively a free program like nmap would let you scan the network for it.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

Prince John posted:

Your router admin page probably displays the ip addresses of all connected devices somewhere.

Alternatively a free program like nmap would let you scan the network for it.

I don't have access to the router, unfortunately. It's a share house. It's plugged into my machine directly, no router.

Got nmap installed, but quite lost as to which command I need in terminal. Is it nmap -sL that I need?

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004


Does http://diskstation:5000 work in a browser?

That's how I connect at home and I sounds like you couldn't have changed the default name yet.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

eddiewalker posted:

Does http://diskstation:5000 work in a browser?

That's how I connect at home and I sounds like you couldn't have changed the default name yet.

Unfortunately, nope.

Is it possible Little Snitch is blocking it? That's the only thing I could think of that might be blocking it accidentally.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


Are you serving it dhcp if its connected directly to you via Ethernet or did you specify an IP in its settings.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

Don Lapre posted:

Are you serving it dhcp if its connected directly to you via Ethernet or did you specify an IP in its settings.

I don't remember changing any IP address, so i'm guessing it's dhcp. I don't know much about networking though.

Prince John
Jun 20, 2006

Oh, poppycock! Female bandits?



the_lion posted:

I don't have access to the router, unfortunately. It's a share house. It's plugged into my machine directly, no router.

Got nmap installed, but quite lost as to which command I need in terminal. Is it nmap -sL that I need?

Not an expert by any means, but run nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 if the local network is set up to assign a 192.168.1.* IP address. I guess if it's not a network you control then make sure you're not breaking any TOS by running a scan.

That should generate results like this:

code:
Nmap scan report for debian-server (192.168.1.148)
Host is up (0.0029s latency).
MAC Address: BC:5F:F4:96:60:D5 (ASRock Incorporation)

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

Prince John posted:

Not an expert by any means, but run nmap -sP 192.168.1.0/24 if the local network is set up to assign a 192.168.1.* IP address. I guess if it's not a network you control then make sure you're not breaking any TOS by running a scan.

That should generate results like this:

code:
Nmap scan report for debian-server (192.168.1.148)
Host is up (0.0029s latency).
MAC Address: BC:5F:F4:96:60:D5 (ASRock Incorporation)

Thanks guys, all this was quite helpful. I'm still fumbling my way through but I got it in the end.

nmap -sP didn't work for whatever reason but I realised I could ping it via terminal by pinging what I thought the nas name was (syn_nas.local) which got me the IP.

Pudgygiant
Apr 8, 2004

Garnet and black? More like gold and blue or whatever the fuck colors these are

Just another "if this happens again" suggestion, if it's directly connected the easiest way to get the IP is to run Wireshark on the interface and watch for an IP that isn't yours. No command line flags or anything, literally just get your own IP, click start in Wireshark, and pick the other IP. It'll even work if it's in a different subnet.

Decairn
Dec 1, 2007



the_lion posted:

I kind of expected that there'd be a learning curve but I'm having difficulty with my DS214se.
Not surprised.

... stuff ...

Did you use the EZ-Internet feature? That should detect the router and setup rules in it to forward to the Synology. It didn't need login credentials to my dlink router to setup these rules. It should something like the below:

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004


Decairn posted:

Did you use the EZ-Internet feature? That should detect the router and setup rules in it to forward to the Synology. It didn't need login credentials to my dlink router to setup these rules. It should something like the below:



He's not using a router, it doesn't sound like. Just a direct connection to one computer. His Syno can't see the Internet or use a lot of the best features.

Decairn
Dec 1, 2007



In that case its just another client to the router. No special setup of Synology required. Whatever its possible to connect to on internet from PC should be 100% same for the Synology.

Ninja Rope
Oct 22, 2005

Wee.


the_lion posted:

It's plugged into my machine directly, no router.

If it's literally plugged directly into your machine it probably has a 169.254.x address. Try disabling your wifi before using the whatever autodetector app.

phosdex
Dec 16, 2005



Tortured By Flan

^ what he said. It's probably got a link-local ip address. Probably faster to find it with arp -a or something too instead of pulling out wireshark.

Longinus00
Dec 29, 2005
Ur-Quan

the_lion posted:

Thanks guys, all this was quite helpful. I'm still fumbling my way through but I got it in the end.

nmap -sP didn't work for whatever reason but I realised I could ping it via terminal by pinging what I thought the nas name was (syn_nas.local) which got me the IP.

If that's the case then you should be able to put "syn_nas.local" directly into your browser and it will browse to your nas without having to care about the IP address thanks to zeroconf.

Longinus00 fucked around with this message at 04:11 on Mar 16, 2014

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