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Sheep
Jul 24, 2003


NewFatMike posted:

Thanks for the help friends! Bummer that the WD is pricier than what I had hoped for, but hopefully Black Friday will knock a few bucks off. Better safe than sorry and these will be a big upgrade over my existing WD Red 4TB drives as well. Wins for everyone (except my wallet)!

When I was upgrading last year Best Buy were doing EasyStore sales every two weeks like clockwork. Guaranteed there will be stupid deals the 29th/2nd but even ignoring that within the month you can score some cheap.

Bank
Feb 20, 2004
I paid five bucks and all I got was this custom title.

ItBreathes posted:

Just out of curiosity, what are you doing that would benefit from RAID 0 that you have 16TB of on a home network?

Having one drive letter instead of two :P

It's on an HTPC and I currently have two 4TB red drives in Raid 0. I was debating just moving everything to a single 8TB drive, but my current allocation is getting a bit full so I was either going to grab another 8TB to do Raid 0 again (16TB total) or just sell em all and get a 12TB drive.

Looking at prices on the 12TB I might just do that instead and back up all the stuff I actually care about on the 8TB and off-site.

HalloKitty
Sep 30, 2005

Adjust the bass and let the Alpine blast


D. Ebdrup posted:

I have four of what are apparently the only good drives Seagate ever made, the HD204UI series, at +72000 hours power-on time.

And I still haven't decided on a new configuration for my new server.

It's a Samsung, and it had a serious firmware bug: https://rctnotes.blogspot.com/2011/...re-bug.html?m=1

I had 6 of 'em, 2 are dead (unrelated to the bug)

D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009



HalloKitty posted:

It's a Samsung, and it had a serious firmware bug: https://rctnotes.blogspot.com/2011/...re-bug.html?m=1

I had 6 of 'em, 2 are dead (unrelated to the bug)
Oh, you're right, they are. Mine have been patched - although before then I didn't have NCQ enabled by some strange coincidence.

Smashing Link
Jul 8, 2003

I'll keep chucking bombs at you til you fall off that ledge!

Grimey Drawer

Are most of the Easystore shuckers in this thread finding you have to mess with the 3.3V pin or not? Weighing whether I should just go for it or pre-order some kapton tape.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





What kind of chassis are you putting it in? My experience so far has been no fucking around needed but the only places I've hooked up shucked drives have been a Netapp disk shelf and a Norco case, neither of which put 3.3V anywhere near the drives.

Smashing Link
Jul 8, 2003

I'll keep chucking bombs at you til you fall off that ledge!

Grimey Drawer

IOwnCalculus posted:

What kind of chassis are you putting it in? My experience so far has been no fucking around needed but the only places I've hooked up shucked drives have been a Netapp disk shelf and a Norco case, neither of which put 3.3V anywhere near the drives.

A server with a brand new PSU.

Coxswain Balls
Jun 4, 2001



College Slice

Statutory Ape posted:

I'm trying to make an online storage solution, I just want to be able to have a central hard drive I can access from anywhere that will sync with windows file structure similar to dropbox or google, but not on those platforms. I dont want to be paying subscription fees to those people in perpetuity so I can have ~1 tb hard drive to access.

The filesizes would be what you might see on like, average joes cell phone photos and a minute or 2 long videos, meme folder type shit. Wont be using endless terabytes etc. Basically just want to virtually carry an external HD. Preferably accessable from windows/android/ios

I don't need huge speeds either, I'm sure whatever connection I have will be fine, its good enough to remotely stream plex to myself. As far as hardware, I'd probably be running this on the same thing that runs my plex server which is an amd 2600x / 16gb/w10

this computer is hooked up to a TV and sometimes does gaming etc so i'd prfer if my solution didn't require switching OS to linux, altho if it runs in a lightweight enough environment i can probs find a way to make it work. if it could be setup to run in a VM alongside everything else im already doing thats fine too i have enough experience stumbling through that stuff to probably make that work too.

I'm not really sure what else to provide for info or what angles to look at to ask for help better. I'm looking at seafile and I've done some googling but I was hoping to get some input based on my actual use case and the hardware etc. I'm sure somebody here has seen this and has an idea or my situation may even be cookie cutter idk

thank you

I've been doing this for a couple years by connecting to a home VPN server to access my FreeNAS box, but it should work no matter how you decide to set up your shares. I have it set up as an SMB share so that when I connect to my home network I'm able to access it like any other folder.

I played around with DIY cloud software like OwnCloud, but apparently running that on a home network isn't the best idea from a security perspective so I just VPN in whenever I want to access my NAS when I'm not at home and it's never given me any trouble.

ChiralCondensate
Nov 13, 2007

what is that man doing to his colour palette?


Grimey Drawer

Smashing Link posted:

A server with a brand new PSU.

You should have zero problem.

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003


Smashing Link posted:

Are most of the Easystore shuckers in this thread finding you have to mess with the 3.3V pin or not? Weighing whether I should just go for it or pre-order some kapton tape.

I've never had to mess with the pin myself and I've got four different types of WD externals shucked.

Smashing Link
Jul 8, 2003

I'll keep chucking bombs at you til you fall off that ledge!

Grimey Drawer

ChiralCondensate posted:

You should have zero problem.



Sheep posted:

I've never had to mess with the pin myself and I've got four different types of WD externals shucked.

Thanks! Will report back.

derk
Sep 24, 2004


Sheep posted:

Good: Western Digital, HGST (now part of WD), Toshiba
Bad: Seagate



so far i have had good luck with ST4000VN008 drives. Iron Wolf NAS drives by Seagate @ 4TB

Roundboy
Oct 21, 2008


Smashing Link posted:

Thanks! Will report back.

Chiming in the opposite. Bought 2 12tb easystores a few weeks ago and they had wd white drives inside.

My pay in my server also died so I upgraded and the sata power cables there 100% sent 3.3v.

At least you can get away with taping the first 3 pins vs trying to do just the one, but holy fuck it's annoying to get it right on a headless server booting to the bios to see if the drives are seen, and Hopi g you don't jink the cables too much after you get it all buttoned up and cables moved that they don't drop off after you rack the server

Still, the money saved it's worth it so far now that I know the drill

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

Bote McBoteface. so what


Smashing Link posted:

Are most of the Easystore shuckers in this thread finding you have to mess with the 3.3V pin or not? Weighing whether I should just go for it or pre-order some kapton tape.

Smashing Link posted:

A server with a brand new PSU.

Roundboy posted:

Chiming in the opposite. Bought 2 12tb easystores a few weeks ago and they had wd white drives inside.

My pay in my server also died so I upgraded and the sata power cables there 100% sent 3.3v.

At least you can get away with taping the first 3 pins vs trying to do just the one, but holy fuck it's annoying to get it right on a headless server booting to the bios to see if the drives are seen, and Hopi g you don't jink the cables too much after you get it all buttoned up and cables moved that they don't drop off after you rack the server

Still, the money saved it's worth it so far now that I know the drill

This entirely depends on the PSU being used; a more recent one will likely be compatible with the latest revision of the power spec and will have the 3.3 V line properly reassigned.

Enos Cabell
Nov 3, 2004



I just pry off the pin on mine with an x-acto knife, because I'm shit at opening the cases without breaking tabs so warranty is moot anyway and I found the tape too fiddly for my goon hands.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin




Buglord

The Seagate Expansion Desktop external drives are not shingled for what it's worth. Super easy to shuck, no power weirdness, no problems in my Synology.

Heners_UK
Jun 1, 2002


H2SO4 posted:

The Seagate Expansion Desktop external drives are not shingled for what it's worth. Super easy to shuck, no power weirdness, no problems in my Synology.

Just to confirm, you mean these 6TB models that appear to be a surprising price blindspot for Seagate in Canada (CAD 119)?

Less Fat Luke
May 23, 2003

Just the tip!


Exciting Lemon

Heners_UK posted:

Just to confirm, you mean these 6TB models that appear to be a surprising price blindspot for Seagate in Canada (CAD 119)?

Holy shit that's cheap

Crunchy Black
Oct 24, 2017

CASTOR: Uh, it was all fine and you don't remember?
VINDMAN: No, it was bad and I do remember.




Probably skews more homelab than most of this thread, but this is a very exciting hi-po mITX build base.
https://www.servethehome.com/asrock...itx-dual-10gbe/

Heners_UK
Jun 1, 2002


Less Fat Luke posted:

Holy shit that's cheap

CAD $20/tb is the current sweet spot for storage (based on price only). Once you get to that or below, go ahead and buy. Also, that particular unit has a decent low overall price too.

You could make the argument that storage density could be important. In other words, if you bought four 6TB drives, you'd have less space than if you filled the slots with 8TB or 10TB drives.

Paul MaudDib
May 3, 2006

"Tell me of your home world, Usul"


Crunchy Black posted:

Probably skews more homelab than most of this thread, but this is a very exciting hi-po mITX build base.
https://www.servethehome.com/asrock...itx-dual-10gbe/

Yeah, that checks all the boxes, and Asrock crammed it into mITX no less. I bet that one clocks in around $700.

Gay Retard
Jun 7, 2003



Crunchy Black posted:

Probably skews more homelab than most of this thread, but this is a very exciting hi-po mITX build base.
https://www.servethehome.com/asrock...itx-dual-10gbe/

I moved away from mITX for my server, but that definitely looks like my next mobo for whatever new system I eventually build. CanÂ’t believe dual 10 GBe has taken this long.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

Interested if it has vga from the ipmi/bmc, our setups at work all use vga kvms and the existing x570s are annoying with having to add a cheap video card.

We really should just move to using the ipmi display for everything but too many different company implementations keeps that annoying.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

I can, if only because even a cheap 10Gb switch is still $300+ (though I saw Microtik has a 4 port for $150, which is tempting). When you can get a 8 port 10Gb switch for <$100 is when it'll take off.

At the moment a lot of 10Gb stuff is basically the playground of fiber and enterprise shops, and thanks to fiber being a complete fuckfest in terms of compatibility and such, going with built-in NICs is more of a liability than a benefit for most places that'd be buying it.

That Works
Jul 22, 2006


Fun Shoe

The people above talking about pins / 3.3v for shucked HDD's. Is there some kind of guide for this fix or something specific to look for? I bought two of the 8 TB WD drives to shuck, should come in after Dec 1. Just curious because I wanted to figure out what to do about that in case it's an issue when they get here. I didn't know it was a thing.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





It's not dependent on the drives (because at this point pretty much all of the shucked ones do it), it's dependent on how your system powers the drives. Very new PSUs, and server backplanes and the like, don't send 3.3V to the drive. Older home-oriented PSUs usually do expose 3.3V on the connector.

If you're in the latter boat, there's a bunch of ways you can fix it:
Tape the pin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W3-uOl4ruc

Use a 4-pin-to-SATA power adapter cable that doesn't have 3.3v:


Or physically modify your existing SATA power cables to remove the 3.3v line (cutting it upstream, depinning it, whatever).

That Works
Jul 22, 2006


Fun Shoe

IOwnCalculus posted:

It's not dependent on the drives (because at this point pretty much all of the shucked ones do it), it's dependent on how your system powers the drives. Very new PSUs, and server backplanes and the like, don't send 3.3V to the drive. Older home-oriented PSUs usually do expose 3.3V on the connector.

If you're in the latter boat, there's a bunch of ways you can fix it:
Tape the pin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W3-uOl4ruc

Use a 4-pin-to-SATA power adapter cable that doesn't have 3.3v:


Or physically modify your existing SATA power cables to remove the 3.3v line (cutting it upstream, depinning it, whatever).

Thanks! I'm waiting for black friday to pick up a PSU etc so will revisit this once they arrive. How new is "very new PSU's" ? Last 5 years, 1 year etc?

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





That Works posted:

How new is "very new PSU's" ? Last 5 years, 1 year etc?

I'd guess 1 year or less, I think it's a recent thing that I've only seen mentioned here. If the PSU manufacturer doesn't use all-black cabling it's at least easy to tell just looking at it based on whether or not there's an orange wire running to the SATA connector.

Smashing Link
Jul 8, 2003

I'll keep chucking bombs at you til you fall off that ledge!

Grimey Drawer

IOwnCalculus posted:

It's not dependent on the drives (because at this point pretty much all of the shucked ones do it), it's dependent on how your system powers the drives. Very new PSUs, and server backplanes and the like, don't send 3.3V to the drive. Older home-oriented PSUs usually do expose 3.3V on the connector.

If you're in the latter boat, there's a bunch of ways you can fix it:
Tape the pin:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W3-uOl4ruc

Use a 4-pin-to-SATA power adapter cable that doesn't have 3.3v:


Or physically modify your existing SATA power cables to remove the 3.3v line (cutting it upstream, depinning it, whatever).

Thanks, informative.

phosdex
Dec 16, 2005



Tortured By Flan

You can get those molex to sata power adapters that only have 3 wires, that's what I used for my shucked drives.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

Bote McBoteface. so what


I have a question about an issue I've mentioned before. I've run into some HDDs that "fill up" long before their actual capacity would indicate they should. Now these are old drives that I don't really need, but use as appropriate in ancillary scenarios as long as they still function. In this scenario, I bought 3 of the same 1 TB WD Green drives (WD10EACS) a long time ago, ran them in my then-current desktop, then broke that down and put the drives in storage after I replaced the whole system. One of the drives, we'll call it "A," was put in a secondary desktop for game storage and video transcoding a few years ago. It has about 2k power-on cycles and 28.5k power-on hours, and a few times recently it's done this thing I've seen before where its usage in Task Manager goes to 100% but there's no transfer activity and the host can't actually access the drive. This is resolved upon a reboot, but I figure it's only a matter of time before the drive conks out completely so I'm going to replace it. Specifically, I made a backup to its twin (triplet?,) drive "B," and then attempted to do the same thing the final drive, "C" (so B could be the new active drive in the PC and C would be the backup.) This is where I ran into the issue:









As you can see, its only copied about 2/3 of the data, which should only take up around half the total capacity of the drive, but the OS at least thinks this drive is full and as stated these are identical drives. Note the difference between the file sizes in the properties of the files themselves versus the whole disk. Drive C was freshly formatted before this, with compression enabled (on all 3 drives) and the same exact process was just performed yesterday on the other drive. Of note is that there have been some CRC errors during the transfer process from A to C, but a retry in each case seems to have gotten the files to copy successfully.

I'm performing a disk surface scan on drive C right now and will see if that reveals anything, but at this point I'm assuming I have to retire both drives A and C. Not that that's a problem as I have many more replacements, but I'm wondering if anyone has insight on this particular issue.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Gimme Gimme Swedish Fish...



Fallen Rib

They're 1TB Green's. User em for target practice. That's a odd issue, I'd run them through Crystal Disk.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

With the CRC and related errors, my guess would be that your "L:" drive there has a whole bunch of remapped/bad sectors. The firmware may deciding to report those segments of the disk as "used" in the sense that it knows it can't fit any more data there, but it cannot/will not reduce its reported max capacity, so that's still showing what it would for an all-good drive. I'd be curious to see if you formatted it if it'd go back to 0GB used, or what.

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

Bote McBoteface. so what


sharkytm posted:

They're 1TB Green's. User em for target practice. That's a odd issue, I'd run them through Crystal Disk.

I could post screenshots from CDI, but neither reveals much from SMART stats. Both have 1 and 3 Reallocation Events (C4) but no Pending or Reallocated Sectors. Disk C has 6 CRC Errors.

DrDork posted:

With the CRC and related errors, my guess would be that your "L:" drive there has a whole bunch of remapped/bad sectors. The firmware may deciding to report those segments of the disk as "used" in the sense that it knows it can't fit any more data there, but it cannot/will not reduce its reported max capacity, so that's still showing what it would for an all-good drive. I'd be curious to see if you formatted it if it'd go back to 0GB used, or what.

As above, there are currently no real media errors, and the CRC ones IIRC are more likely related to the data path than the drive itself. Drive C is running in a frequently-used USB enclosure, though, and it was the same one that was just successfully used for Drive B yesterday.

I can try reformatting it after the scan completes; I'm currently ~halfway through the "repair" surface test in HD Sentinel. Notably though, the other drives I've encountered with this issue and scanned haven't had their reported capacity decrease (or baseline used capacity increase) to reflect lost sectors, they just continued to fill up faster than they were "supposed" to. (And then I tossed them shortly thereafter as this is a pretty ominous error to run into.)

Atomizer
Jun 24, 2007

Bote McBoteface. so what


Alright, the surface scan found nothing notable (one area took longer to read, but that's it) and with the same setup I was able to perform the transfer process on another disk. I'm going to post this and the following question in the Hardware/Short Questions thread because I'm still curious.

My next issue is unrelated to the aforementioned one. I'm making a backup of a large media drive, from USB3 to USB3. Each internal drive is recent (one a Seagate, the other a WD Blue) and they can hit >100 MB/s r/w sequential, including copying data from either of them to any other location. However, going from one drive to another is bottlenecked to ~19 MB/s (for large files,) which is awfully specific but not related to any interface (i.e. not in USB2 mode) and I even got the same result with each drive connected to separate PCs connected via Gigabit Ethernet. Anyone have any ideas what's causing this?

BeastOfExmoor
Aug 19, 2003

I will be gone, but not forever.


What's the magic keyword to find instructions on getting a hard drive back in a shucked enclosure? I have a ton of WD Elements enclosures that I'd like to move some older drives into to use as additional backups.

sharkytm
Oct 9, 2003

Gimme Gimme Swedish Fish...



Fallen Rib

It's not hard?
If you need directions, find the shucking directions and reverse the steps. The elements drives that I've shucked had 4 rubber bumpers screwed into the corners of the drive, and the PCB screwed in at the bottom. Slide them back in, close the case, done.

D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009



BeastOfExmoor posted:

What's the magic keyword to find instructions on getting a hard drive back in a shucked enclosure? I have a ton of WD Elements enclosures that I'd like to move some older drives into to use as additional backups.
Watch a shucking video in reverse?

Sheep
Jul 24, 2003


Sheep posted:

When I was upgrading last year Best Buy were doing EasyStore sales every two weeks like clockwork. Guaranteed there will be stupid deals the 29th/2nd but even ignoring that within the month you can score some cheap.

Quoting myself because it came true within four days. 12TB EasyStores are up on Bestbuy's website for the Black Friday price of $180. I think that's 1.5 cents per gigabyte?

Roundboy
Oct 21, 2008


I bought them a few weeks ago for $160. And I was under the impression that while cheaper then usual, it was 'overpaying' vs a Black Friday price.

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