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DNova posted:Can you clarify what you mean? I can't think of any backup product that is solely wireless, unless you count those little wifi storage drives for iphones/ipads/ipods. Sorry, I basically want something that will back up my data through other means (e.g. USB, firewire whatever), rather than wireless.
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Guni posted:Sorry, I basically want something that will back up my data through other means (e.g. USB, firewire whatever), rather than wireless. I think you need to start over and tell us a little more about your set up. PC or MAC? What kind of DATA and how much? Do you have any kind of wired network? What is your budget?
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My NAS server is currently running NexentaStor and I created a CIFS share to share with my Windows 7 computers. My laptop (running Windows Home Premium) can access the share fine. My HTPC (running Pro) and my desktop (running Ultimate) can see the server on the network, can browse it, but they both get a "Network path not found" error when attempting to access the share. I've tried disabling Windows Firewall and Security Essentials (even though my laptop has both enabled), but no dice. I also tried leaving/joining my network's homegroup. They are all definitely in the same workgroup (I know this is different from the homegroup). Does anyone have any ideas?
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Have you tried mounting the share as a drive letter? I had an issue once and that fixed it. V![]()
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Lowen SoDium posted:I think you need to start over and tell us a little more about your set up. Sorry. PC or MAC? Both. However if this creates too much of a hassle, just the PC. What kind of data and how much? I mainly just want to back up everything on both computers which would (at the moment) be 500GB or so, but in the future around 2TB Any kind of wired network? I have a modem (has a wireless thingy inbuilt) that is in the kitchen around 30ft away, running an ethernet cord from the modem is not really feasible because I have a dog. How much do I want to spend? Anywhere from $100-$500 + the price of drives. I should note my internet speed is absolutely abhorrent if that makes any difference.
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I just put in an order for an N54L along with five 3TB WD Reds, 16GB of RAM, and some accessories to get it all working together (mostly for the optical bay, though I did decide to pick up the iLO-lite card as well). So, now I need to decide on an OS. I definitely want to go with ZFS, which means as far as I can tell, my options are: FreeNAS NAS4Free NexentaStor ZFSGuru Of those, from what I understand, ZFSGuru's performance is pretty poor, and I'm going to be uncomfortably close to the limit of the community edition of NexentaStor right off the bat, so I think my best option is going to be either FreeNAS or NAS4Free. Is there any good info out there comparing the two? About all I can really determine is that NAS4Free is based on FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE, whereas FreeNAS is based on 8.3-RELEASE. Both support ZFS v28, and the feature flag stuff won't be coming until FreeBSD 10.something, so I'm not really sure whether there are any meaningful differences between the two. Or is there something else I should be considering? This is for a home NAS, so there won't ever be more than a couple users at a time.
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BotchedLobotomy posted:Have you tried mounting the share as a drive letter? I had an issue once and that fixed it. V I've tried mapping it as a network drive, if that's what you mean.
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Kreeblah posted:I just put in an order for an N54L along with five 3TB WD Reds, 16GB of RAM, and some accessories to get it all working together (mostly for the optical bay, though I did decide to pick up the iLO-lite card as well). So, now I need to decide on an OS. I definitely want to go with ZFS, which means as far as I can tell, my options are: You can also use a linux distribution like Ubuntu Server with ZFS. That will give you more options in what you can do with the server, but maybe isn't worth it if it won't ever do anything other than serve files?
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Thermopyle posted:You can also use a linux distribution like Ubuntu Server with ZFS. That will give you more options in what you can do with the server, but maybe isn't worth it if it won't ever do anything other than serve files? I guess I should have mentioned this, but I already have a higher-specced Linux server I run applications off of, so this thing's going to be purely a box of drives with an ethernet jack. I thought about going with Linux on it, but it seems like it'd make more sense to just turn it into an appliance. Edit: And I guess the other part that makes an appliance appealing is that I've been rolling my own Linux NASs since before consumer NASs were really a thing, and I'm honestly getting kinda tired of doing all the heavy lifting myself. I went through something similar with firewalls and pfSense has worked out pretty well, so I'm hoping this will be similar. Kreeblah fucked around with this message at 16:42 on May 13, 2013 |
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Guni posted:Sorry. For less than $500 plus the cost of drives, you can get a number of different NASes that have 2 bays and even a couple that have 4 bays. Your best bets are probably models from Synology or Netgear. They both support Windows SMB and Apple Time Machine backups. I believe that they both support expansion as well, so you can add disk with out having to rebuild your array. So, if I understand right, both of your computers are wireless to your router. If this is the case, a NAS might not be the best option since you would need to connect it to your router and both of your machines will be connecting to it wirelessly causing slow speeds. You might be better off using some kind of direct attach storage system using USB 3 or eSATA like this one. You could attach this to your PC and it would be able to access the files quickly. You could then share it on your network and your Mac could access over the wireless, though it would be much slower. This configuration would be a little more "Do it yourself", but it would be a little cheaper.
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My NAS runs Samba 3 and whenever a client PC (running Windows 7) reboots it fails to mount the share with an access denied message. I can mount it by hand and re-enter the username/password (and check the save credentials box) and everything runs fine for months, but the next time I reboot it fails to mount. I don't see anything in the Samba logs but I haven't cranked up the logging yet. Anyone else see this and have a solution?
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16859107921 N54L has an additional $60 gift card rebate if you order one today. I ordered one on Saturday so I am not eligible for this. ![]()
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Lowen SoDium posted:For less than $500 plus the cost of drives, you can get a number of different NASes that have 2 bays and even a couple that have 4 bays. Your best bets are probably models from Synology or Netgear. They both support Windows SMB and Apple Time Machine backups. I believe that they both support expansion as well, so you can add disk with out having to rebuild your array. Awesome! I really appreciate the advice. Yeah I could connect the NAS to the router no problem, but my internet is slow as fuck as it is, so yeah may not be the best option. Would chucking a WD red into my PC and backing my shit up onto it be a good solution? The stuff on my mac isn't really important anyway and I can just hookup my external HDD if I want to back it up. E: Didn't see that link, thatd be perfect. Thanks! Question about the WD red still stands, would it be a viable option? Guni fucked around with this message at 03:47 on May 14, 2013 |
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Just a little hint: If you're on a LAN with both Windows and OSX clients and a NAS box which has both smbd and netatalk, you should enable both and use them for each respectively. AFP gets a lot better preformance than SMB on OSX.
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SaltLick posted:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16859107921 Oh, God damn it. I just ordered mine yesterday and it shipped today.
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E-mail newegg and ask nicely?
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Guni posted:Awesome! I really appreciate the advice. Yeah I could connect the NAS to the router no problem, but my internet is slow as fuck as it is, so yeah may not be the best option. Would chucking a WD red into my PC and backing my shit up onto it be a good solution? The stuff on my mac isn't really important anyway and I can just hookup my external HDD if I want to back it up. I think the general feelings on WD REds are that they are good drives. I have 3 of them in my NAS. One of them was DoA. Infant death of REDS and DoAs seem to be semi-common, but I haven't read about anyone having one die after the first week. Also, for what it is worth, do not take me linking that external drive system as an indorsement of it specifically. I haven't used that one, but it looks like it should meet your needs.
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I bought 5 3TB Reds from NewEgg, 1 was DOA, and another died shortly after adding it to my array. The other 3 are humming strong.
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Kreeblah posted:I just put in an order for an N54L along with five 3TB WD Reds, 16GB of RAM, and some accessories to get it all working together (mostly for the optical bay, though I did decide to pick up the iLO-lite card as well). So, now I need to decide on an OS. I definitely want to go with ZFS, which means as far as I can tell, my options are: If you are comfortable at the command line I would definitely look at SmartOS or OmniOS. I am using SmartOS at home on a very similar build and am very happy with its ZFS implementation so far. The main difference seems to be the way SmartOS boots from a USB key (which has some advantages and disadvantages, many things don't persist between boots) while OmniOS can be installed in a more traditional fashion. Of course, FreeNAS's web GUI is awfully nice too.
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Lowen SoDium posted:I think the general feelings on WD REds are that they are good drives. I have 3 of them in my NAS. One of them was DoA. Infant death of REDS and DoAs seem to be semi-common, but I haven't read about anyone having one die after the first week. Thanks! Yeah I realise you linking that specific one wasn't saying "HEY BUY THIS ONE RIGHT NOW!!11!!" In fact I live in Australia so that one isn't even on sale here, but that's definitely the type of solution im looking for, so thank you very much!
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Kreeblah posted:I just put in an order for an N54L along with five 3TB WD Reds, 16GB of RAM, and some accessories to get it all working together (mostly for the optical bay, though I did decide to pick up the iLO-lite card as well). So, now I need to decide on an OS. I definitely want to go with ZFS, which means as far as I can tell, my options are: FreeNAS 8.3 has a nice Web GUI and actually has most of the features from old FreeNAS 7 implemented. It also comes with a nice auto replication feature for automated zfs send/recv although it's ssh key checking seems bugged/poorly documented? I had a ton of issues with it and the forums were no help, but it's a pretty easy fix if you edit the script. However for my personal use I found it sluggish or slow compared to NAS4Free especially when it came to importing/exporting large volumes or when using dedup. FreeNAS just isn't as responsive and I dealt with constant volume crashes (using dedup mind you, so much for 32gb of ram!) until I switched to NAS4Free which remained much more responsive and in the event of a volume crash I wasn't forced to destroy the pool. So NAS4Free has my vote simply for performance reasons when actually dealing with large data sets. The reporting is also much better in my opinion. Now speaking of zfs and dedup, I eventually did find out why my pools were crashing all the time. Turns out that deleting large files just destroys your ARC regardless of how you tune it. I did some experimenting with 32GB ram and an arc_max set to 16G and when deleting a 800GB vmdk I still watched my RAM explode up to 90% crashing my system. No amount of L2ARC helps, removing or severely restricting the L2ARC doesn't help much either. Setting primarycache/secondarycache to all, metadata, none or any combination of those does very little. I feel like 32GB of ram should be plenty considering it's only around 3TB of unique data and even the highest of ram estimates leave me with some to spare, but alas, I just don't understand why zfs falls over itself deleting files or why it can't clear ram fast enough to do it. I skirted around the issue of deleting files by editing the ghettoVCB script to just move the rotated vmdks to an "archive" folder instead of deleting them, but this won't last forever. I estimate around 6 months, maybe a year if lucky, before I run out of space. Letting it just continue on and destroying the pool when filled isn't exactly how I want this to work, but I can't for the life of me figure out a good way to remove old files without crashing the system or babysitting it through reboots to clear the ram. I thought just making a script to remove each old vmdk/vmx files one by one would work, but that fails once you do too many without a reboot or hit something larger than ~400GB. So right now I'm considering making a second dataset without dedup on it to move old files too for deletion since it's dedup that's causing the issue, but I don't have any confidence in that actually working or being able to do so in a timely manner. I guess I could make a different data set to store larger backups on and just script it to get destroyed and remade at a certain point but I feel that's sloppy. Does anyone have any idea how to elegantly delete old files off a zfs pool with dedup turned on? ![]() Other than this issue dedup has been great for me so far, I get a ~95% dedup rate on every nightly backup I run. It'd just be great to fully automate the process and never have to touch it again though. e: Although it might be a simple tuning issue... My DDT is probably hitting the arc meta limit, I will try raising that and tinkering some more tomorrow. Master Stur fucked around with this message at 01:39 on May 15, 2013 |
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Just learned that both WD and Seagate do advanced exchange for free, my life just became so much easier!
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FISHMANPET posted:Just learned that both WD and Seagate do advanced exchange for free, my life just became so much easier! WD would not advanced exchange my DoA Red drive until I bitched and then they told me I could have a "one time" free advanced exchange. Whatever, assholes.
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It just showed up on the form for me when I did it this morning. They just put a hold on your credit card in case you don't send the bad drive back.
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FISHMANPET posted:I bought 5 3TB Reds from NewEgg, 1 was DOA, and another died shortly after adding it to my array. The other 3 are humming strong. This is something I see constantly. The funny thing is that Newegg reviews mention a ton of DOA drives (3/5 stars), but the Amazon reviews are almost immaculate (4.5/5 stars). I was thinking of picking up a couple of 3TB reds to replace some of my should-be-dead-by-now 2TB green drives, but this makes me curious.
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Civil posted:This is something I see constantly. The funny thing is that Newegg reviews mention a ton of DOA drives (3/5 stars), but the Amazon reviews are almost immaculate (4.5/5 stars). I was thinking of picking up a couple of 3TB reds to replace some of my should-be-dead-by-now 2TB green drives, but this makes me curious. Each of my mirrored pairs of reds has one drive from Newegg and one from Amazon. Time will tell if my paranoia was justified.
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Novo posted:Each of my mirrored pairs of reds has one drive from Newegg and one from Amazon. Time will tell if my paranoia was justified. This is the smart way to do it. I don't know if there are studies or math to back this up, I'm sure there is, but either way, this is a safe way to do it since batches can be bad and who knows how they are shipped to the store. In bulk from the same batch I would assume.
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I thought the theory was that newegg uses shitty packaging causing a higher rate of dead drives. Nothing like getting a drive wrapped in two layers of bubble wrap stuck in a box full of kraft paper. A million years ago when I still bought these things in retail packaging at retail stores there were several layers of fancy foam.
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thebigcow posted:I thought the theory was that newegg uses shitty packaging causing a higher rate of dead drives. Nothing like getting a drive wrapped in two layers of bubble wrap stuck in a box full of kraft paper. Didn't you hear, the world is running out of fancy foam, it's used for too many birthday parties.
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Megaman posted:This is the smart way to do it. I don't know if there are studies or math to back this up, I'm sure there is, but either way, this is a safe way to do it since batches can be bad and who knows how they are shipped to the store. In bulk from the same batch I would assume. We ordered like 20~ or so 3TB reds from CDW and not a single one arrived DoA or has died yet after being used daily for two months ![]() I did some pesky zfs tuning today and was able to sustain deleting several 200-300mb vmdk's throughout the day and right now my nightly backup is running at a full 1Gbps in all its glory. I'll have to see how it handles deleting the biggest files tomorrow, but overall I'm pretty happy with the whole set up now.
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Master Stur posted:We ordered like 20~ or so 3TB reds from CDW and not a single one arrived DoA or has died yet after being used daily for two months Did you white box production storage or do you have a sweet home lab?
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Moey posted:Did you white box production storage or do you have a sweet home lab? White box production storage. This is what happens when nobody wants to shell out for a netapp, your only tape drive dies and your backup backups are on a jbod array with openfiler. Since we're using open source tools and consumer parts I keep my ranting to this thread despite the enterprise use. It's still light years ahead of a failing tape drive and jbod array that chugs along to 25MB/s though ![]() What we/I did was build out 3 identical boxes with 5x3TB WD Reds (and 1 ssd for each) putting 2 with our servers and 1 with our everything-is-on-fire DR room as well as 4 smaller capacity boxes to go to each remote site. Nightly backups go to one box which gets replicated to the DR box and remote sites get replicated to the third box we have here. We also make use of cifs and snapshots to get vss for our user share backups. Using deduplication allows us to keep an extensive history of backups even with 3TB of unique data (about a 95% dedup rate) and the only problem with that was it took me an embarrassingly long time to realize that system hangs were caused by deleting large deduped files, which I think can be fixed by better tuning. So welp, "production quality" backup system for the cost of newegg parts and my time. It can sustain up to 100-120MB/s writes so we can actually backup our file server on a regular basis now ![]() Really it's just an excuse for me to say that WD Reds and Mushkin Chronos SSDs deserve resounding praise because I utterly thrashed them during testing and neither the three ssds or any of the 23 reds have died yet. It's also an interesting solution for a shoestring budget, ugh.
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Master Stur posted:Mushkin Chronos SSDs Which model are you using? Looking for a boot drive for my ubuntu+ZFS cash pit.
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kill your idols posted:Which model are you using? Looking for a boot drive for my ubuntu+ZFS cash pit. This is the one we're using: Mushkin Enchanced Chronos 60G Any of the drives in that line should be really solid. They have speeds that are up to par with the Samsung 840 Pros and no reliability/firmware issues I'm aware of or have seen personally. Plus they're quite a bit cheaper even for the smaller sized drives ![]() The SanDisk Extreme line also gets praised over in the SSD thread and should be around the same price range if you want alternatives. Master Stur fucked around with this message at 13:29 on May 16, 2013 |
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Master Stur posted:This is the one we're using: Mushkin Enchanced Chronos 60G Cool thanks. I have a Samsung 840 (non-pro) now as my boot drive, but it seems to be a waste of space for just the OS install and some packages. I'm gonna grab one off Newegg dispit their awful reviews about failure rate.
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This is a thing of beauty.![]() Of course, now I can't find my hard drive screws and everywhere I could buy them at is probably closed for the night. ![]()
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Kreeblah posted:This is a thing of beauty. I bet it's bottom right that's DOA.
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FISHMANPET posted:I bet it's bottom right that's DOA. $5 on top right and top centre.
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Grumbo. 2 of the 5 2TB Reds I bought from Newegg are flipping out with read errors or dropping out of the pool now. Awesome. Playing the RMA game was not in my plans for the next week. The real question: Should I bother to RMA through Newegg or just go through WD directly?
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WD does advanced exchange which is pretty sweet, and they ship 2nd day air. I submitted the RMA Wednesday morning and got the new drive Friday morning. Also, that feeling when you resilver the 5th 3TB drive into your 5 disk RAIDZ and you gain 6TB ![]()
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