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Telex
Feb 11, 2003



anyone have any recommendations for something I can use to capture an image from a webcam via Nas4free 9 / FreeBSD 9.1 ?

webcamd won't fully get dependencies when i try to add it, so I'm wondering if there's a different thing to try..

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

wang souffle posted:

Are Supermicro boards still generally seen as a solid choice?
Not so much a "solid choice" as much as "only" choice because you can pick from for the pro-sumer series (E3 Xeons, which kinda suck compared to the E5 due to the RDIMM v. UDIMM issues as well as PCI lane restrictions):
1. Supermicro
2. Tyan (their boards have been surprisingly flakey compared to the usual enterprise OEMs from what I can tell)
3. Intel
4. Asus

I went with an Intel board for my E3 workstation build because it was the only one with a PCI-E x16 physical slot for a reasonable video card (nevermind the x8 actual electrical connection). The general setup can be had from something low-end like an HP ML110 similar to this

Only thing I can tell about the Intel LM/M distinction on NICs so far from previous gen NICs materially has been that the LM NICs may not be supported OOTB by ESX/ESXi and requires some hacking around to get support for that in. I believe the hardware differences have to do with some extra circuitry to support IPMI with the LM being the one that'll support it. But this is all on last-gen stuff and not the i217 series NICs. Only datasheet I could find on these new NICs with a few Google searches was this guy here.

necrobobsledder fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Jul 8, 2013

Farmer Crack-Ass
Jan 2, 2001

~this is me posting irl~


Heners_UK posted:

Yikes, it's not like I've got a lot of memory kicking about on my download box...

I made it to 2.4TB backed up before Crashplan started crashing, though, so it may not actually *need* quite that much.

D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009



wang souffle posted:

It's hard to get a clear breakdown on the features on Supermicro's site. For example, can anyone comment on the difference between Intel i217LM and i210AT networking chipsets?
The i210AT supports IPMI-passthrough meaning they don't need a seperate port/pci-ex card for the out-of-band management (also called side-band management when IPMI-passthrough via SMBus is used), whereas the i2717LM supports Intel vPro and the dubious "server OS support".

D. Ebdrup fucked around with this message at 10:39 on Jul 9, 2013

feraltennisprodigy
May 29, 2008

'sup


Would this be a decent setup for a home NAS? For storing photos, documents and various other files, probably accessed a few times a day (by a Windows PC and a Macbook Pro if that matters).

Synology Disk Station DS213j NAS server - Budget-friendly 2-bay NAS server for Home and Small Business, 1.2 Ghz, 512MB
WD Red 3TB NAS Harddrive - SATA 6Gb/s (SATA 3.0), 64MB, 3.5", 24x7 reliability, IntelliPower, NASware

I was thinking that I could go with one 3TB HD to begin with and then get one more when the first one is starting to get full.

Ninja Rope
Oct 22, 2005

Wee.


That would leave you without any redundancy, and I personally would rather have the redundancy. If your data is replaceable then don't worry about it.

feraltennisprodigy
May 29, 2008

'sup


It'll be files that I have 2 or 3 copies of, so they'll be replaceable unless my house burns down I suppose. Maybe I'll get a second HD and do a RAID setup if I find that 3TB is enough after a while?

Heners_UK
Jun 1, 2002


Hey what are people's thoughts on Open Media Vault? I know FreeNAS appears to be the beloved, but I wanted to have a look round for something that meets my needs as a Torrent, Sabnzbd etc. All good so far, but no easy ZFS (if that's a route I want to go). Main advantage is easy web based admin (something I miss from using my old Synology)

Amahi is also another route I could go.

However, some folks are feeling like they outgrow it quickly... with that in mind, I'm wondering if I just go to Ubuntu Server now and roll my own solution now based on a combination of webmin and the things I listed above...

Telex
Feb 11, 2003



Heners_UK posted:

Hey what are people's thoughts on Open Media Vault? I know FreeNAS appears to be the beloved, but I wanted to have a look round for something that meets my needs as a Torrent, Sabnzbd etc. All good so far, but no easy ZFS (if that's a route I want to go). Main advantage is easy web based admin (something I miss from using my old Synology)

Nas4Free will do all the things you have said you want so far with about 10 minutes worth of work. Just use the full install and it's easy. There are even pretty detailed step-by-step guides on installing all the packages you need (nas4free is FreeBSD 9.1 underneath).

ZFS, web based admin, full OS underneath. I even have mine doing Plex Media Server now that there's a FreeBSD 9.1 release of that, and it's pretty damn awesome.

Heners_UK
Jun 1, 2002


Probably should have also mentioned I was after Crashplan as well (and dropbox, and owncloud)... from reading forums Crashplan is tricky on Nas4Free and FreeBSD?

Telex
Feb 11, 2003



No idea about crashplan, owncloud takes effort but will take effort anywhere. Not sure about dropbox, I don't suppose I know the point of using that on a raid.

Nas4Free is FreeBSD. There's really nothing different about installing things on it. If you can do that, you can do pretty much anything if you understand how to do those things. If you don't, you should just get a synology or something that supports easy click plugins because you have a really decent shot at messing the whole thing up if you don't know what you're doing and don't want to learn and probably ruin things while learning.

feraltennisprodigy
May 29, 2008

'sup


Picked up that Synology DS213j (2 bay NAS) I mentioned earlier. Seems to be a pretty solid NAS so far, I assembled it yesterday and started uploading all my photos to it today. The Synology Assistant handles uploading massive photo folders very well, uploading 10 000 files in a go is no biggie.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE



Taco Defender

D. Ebdrup posted:

What do you mean by encrypted BIOS, exactly? And while the service manual does list a slimline optical drive, there are relatively few people who retrofit one or two HDDs into the optical bay on the gen7 microservers. Also, there's nothing to indicate that the MicroSD card is not hot-swappable (especially given that it's most likely connected to an internal USB as a USB Mass Storage Device).

A much bigger problem with the microserver gen8 is what kind of, if any, iLO license is required to make full use of the iLO remote control features.

Derp. Not encryption, but signing. Anyway, this information came straight from HP.

HP posted:

HP ROM (Read Only Memory) is now digitally signed using HP's Corporate Signing Service. This signature is verified before the flash process starts, reducing accidental programming and preventing malicious efforts to corrupt system ROM.

...

NOTE: The MicroSD slot is not a hot-pluggable device. Customers should not attempt to plug a MicroSD card into the MicroSD slot while the server is powered.

The iLO license is also potentially an issue, though it depends on what you want. I think it comes with an iLO Essentials license, but I'm not really sure what features that includes.

Edit: Looks like the Essentials license is "optional", so it might not come with anything.

Kreeblah fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Jul 14, 2013

Guitarchitect
Nov 8, 2003



I can't figure out what the hell I need.

I'm a photographer and media whore, so I need lots of storage. Burning DVD's is getting old, and stupidly expensive. I'm not looking to buy 4-4TB drives right away, but I'm guessing a 4-bay station is what I need. I have 2-2TB drives currently, and might pick up 2 3TB ones so that I have a large array with redundancy built in.

Ideally, it will serve as a working file server - I can do my photo editing and everything off of it (All my software will run off my SSD), and if I want to watch a movie I'll be able to do so from the TV. Not sure if I'm doing a HTPC yet, as I don't have anything to stream to, but it'd be amazing if I could do the HTPC+NAS in one...

So what should I be looking at? I don't want to spend gobs of money, but I also want something relatively futureproof. QNAP offers regular RAID stuff, but Synology is interesting for its use of Hybrid RAID technologies that seems to net more storage without compromising redundancy. For 10TB of storage space, 7TB is usable - and one disk can fail and you shouldn't lose anything. So that'd keep the cost per GB down... Is a DIY solution a better way to go, all things considered?

Crackbone
May 23, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 30 hours!


Nap Ghost

So, if you just need storage with low I/O (like serving media), is there any reason not to do something like green drives with a Windows OS + Drive Bender or something similar? As I understood it a good while ago TLER doesn't do dick to software-based pooling/RAID solutions.

I've got spare windows licenses out the wazoo, and it would be nice to have some server functions on the NAS box (plex server, etc) on top of storing data.

Crackbone fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Jul 15, 2013

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Fun Shoe

Crackbone posted:

So, if you just need dumb storage with low I/O (like serving media), is there any reason not to do something like green drives with a Windows OS + Drive Bender or something similar? As I understood it a good while ago TLER doesn't do dick to software-based pooling/RAID solutions.

That's pretty much what I ended up doing for my new file server and I'm quite happy with it. Serves our whole house no problem, its essentially zero attention and maintenance which was my biggest goal.

featurecreep
Jul 23, 2002

Yes, Robinson, take the Major, the Robot, your wife and kids... but leave Will for my plea-- his education.

I grabbed an HP N54L during the sale a week and a half ago and I have my drives all arriving at some point this week. I'm going to use it for home file sharing and some downloading legwork. I've got 16GB of RAM, 5x3TB WD Reds (which will be in RaidZ) and an SSD for some caching duties coming.

Are there any common burn-in best practices I should know before I start trusting my (not critical but shitty to lose) data to it?

Heners_UK
Jun 1, 2002


Crackbone posted:

So, if you just need storage with low I/O (like serving media), is there any reason not to do something like green drives with a Windows OS + Drive Bender or something similar? As I understood it a good while ago TLER doesn't do dick to software-based pooling/RAID solutions.

I've got spare windows licenses out the wazoo, and it would be nice to have some server functions on the NAS box (plex server, etc) on top of storing data.

I dont find windows licences quite as plentiful but I'm in the same position... I just cant find realistic options for linux except greyhole or snapraid (the later not really handling drive pooling either)

Worse though, and unfortunately feeding the "always use raid under every circumstances ever" argument, is that i seem to have had my first drive failure under windows and drive bender...

Crackbone
May 23, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 30 hours!


Nap Ghost

Heners_UK posted:

I dont find windows licences quite as plentiful but I'm in the same position... I just cant find realistic options for linux except greyhole or snapraid (the later not really handling drive pooling either)

Worse though, and unfortunately feeding the "always use raid under every circumstances ever" argument, is that i seem to have had my first drive failure under windows and drive bender...

As I understood it though, you can do softraid (at least mirroring) in drive bender. I don't have massive storage needs, and was thinking of just doing a couple 4TB drives mirrored. The main attraction with Drive Bender was that it keeps the individual drives intact so in a failure scenario you don't have to worry about failed rebuilds, and the individual drives stay in a usable single state.

DashingGentleman
Nov 10, 2009


I run snapraid + aufs pooling on Ubuntu server. Easy to set up and works great for my media storage needs. Plus free and open-source.
Snapraid dedicates one or two drives to parity data and doesn't touch the actual data drives, so in case of a catastrophic failure the files on any surviving drives are still accessible - I'm guessing drive bender does something similar.

I use aufs for pooling. This leaves the drives individually accessible but adds an extra mount point which treats them as one big partition. Mhddfs is another option that allows this and snapraid includes a pooling solution of its own these days, but I haven't tried it and have no idea how well it's implemented.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Fun Shoe

Crackbone posted:

As I understood it though, you can do softraid (at least mirroring) in drive bender. I don't have massive storage needs, and was thinking of just doing a couple 4TB drives mirrored. The main attraction with Drive Bender was that it keeps the individual drives intact so in a failure scenario you don't have to worry about failed rebuilds, and the individual drives stay in a usable single state.

I think Snapraid or Drive Bender would be fine for something that simple, I've used it in the past and it's pretty painless. The GUI addon with Snapraid was quite buggy last time I bothered with it, I ended up using the CLI and had no issues.

Heners_UK
Jun 1, 2002


The Gunslinger posted:

I think Snapraid or Drive Bender would be fine for something that simple, I've used it in the past and it's pretty painless. The GUI addon with Snapraid was quite buggy last time I bothered with it, I ended up using the CLI and had no issues.

The missing part from Snapraid is drive pooling... So far all my research indicates that aufs would do the job but has been removed from Ubuntu (in favour of OverlayFS, which isnt implemented fully yet). On Windows, DriveBender is doing this fantastically. I'm actually starting to come back to the idea of using Greyhole for it, but I'm going to pay a cost of higher CPU use, I won't get the near realtime duplication, but do get the chance to duplicate by share and span shares across drives...

SnapRAID is impressive, please dont get me wrong. I'm wondering if I can use it for what I want to do, but it's just lacking a few things that I really want to make the day to day effortless...

Realistically I need to start documenting all of the pro's and cons of all of this as I'm getting myself mixed up.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.

Fun Shoe

Yeah, I was just throwing it out there in case he wanted something free. If you want drive pooling and redundancy there are some other solutions - Stablebits Drivepool, Flexraid, etc. I use Flexraid personally as I needed drive pooling as well, I used Snapraid in the past when I just needed a parity backup on our Windows machines at home.

If you don't care about getting your hands dirty then ZFS is always an option too.

Heners_UK
Jun 1, 2002


The Gunslinger posted:

Yeah, I was just throwing it out there in case he wanted something free. If you want drive pooling and redundancy there are some other solutions - Stablebits Drivepool, Flexraid, etc. I use Flexraid personally as I needed drive pooling as well, I used Snapraid in the past when I just needed a parity backup on our Windows machines at home.

If you don't care about getting your hands dirty then ZFS is always an option too.

It's starting to look like it might end up being the $60 license for Flexraid... Which annoys me as I can see a lot of free solutions that could work... But have one fatal flaw (aufs for example on its way to being desupported).

That said, I'm trying to work out if aufs is worth the effort, because it might well be...

Horn
Jun 18, 2004

Penetration is the key to success

College Slice

Heners_UK posted:

It's starting to look like it might end up being the $60 license for Flexraid... Which annoys me as I can see a lot of free solutions that could work... But have one fatal flaw (aufs for example on its way to being desupported).

That said, I'm trying to work out if aufs is worth the effort, because it might well be...

If aufs is the only thing holding you back try out Mhddfs. I've been using it for a few years now and its easy to setup and I've had no issues with it.

Marvel
Jun 9, 2010


So just a reminder that RAID is not backup. It's been hot this summer and 2 of my RAID5 drives died within a few minutes of each other. I'm not even really sure what all I had on there but it's kind of a bummer. I remembered to back up most of the important stuff but who knows what I missed.

Now I'm thinking about getting one of those HP microservers to replace my monster 6x1TB raid array just to make more room in my closet. Do goons still like those? At least I won't need to worry about copying over all my old data.

It was Linux software RAID and I've had this RAID array for probably 10 years so I guess it had to happen eventually.

Spatule
Mar 18, 2003

I'M A WORTHLESS FAGGOT AND I HATE CANON.
SHOVEL HOT TAR INTO MY ANUS PLEASE.


I'm going to connect 4 1.3 Megapixels IP surveillance cameras to a Synology DS112J. They'll stream at 5-10fps max (wifi).
These cameras have motion sensors (infrared), so will only send images when something is actually happening.
I'd like to backup the images in the cloud somehow (Dropbox or equivalent, an FTP server, something else I'm not aware of).
Given that the amount of data is going to be quite low (hopefully nothing, ever), but that when something happens I want the pictures to be backed up as quickly as possible (2.5 MBPS up internet connection), which service should I be looking at ?
Thanks !

Edit: some clarification - I need instant upload / cloud backup of any new files coming from the cameras to the NAS, not a scheduled backup (in case the thiefs take the NAS...)

Spatule fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Jul 17, 2013

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006



Marvel posted:

Now I'm thinking about getting one of those HP microservers to replace my monster 6x1TB raid array just to make more room in my closet. Do goons still like those?

Yes, they are very nice in my opinion.


Spatule posted:

I need instant upload / cloud backup of any new files coming from the cameras to the NAS, not a scheduled backup (in case the thiefs take the NAS...)

Dropbox, Spideroak, Crashplan (might not be instantaneous enough but can be used for free with any other remotely located computer you control), one of the many other competitors in cloud storage, or your own custom solution using sftp/scp if you have access to some offsite computer/server.

Don't forget to de-link (or revoke credentials for) the computer if it is stolen.

Spatule
Mar 18, 2003

I'M A WORTHLESS FAGGOT AND I HATE CANON.
SHOVEL HOT TAR INTO MY ANUS PLEASE.


DNova posted:

Yes, they are very nice in my opinion.


Dropbox, Spideroak, Crashplan (might not be instantaneous enough but can be used for free with any other remotely located computer you control), one of the many other competitors in cloud storage, or your own custom solution using sftp/scp if you have access to some offsite computer/server.

Don't forget to de-link (or revoke credentials for) the computer if it is stolen.

There will be no (running) onsite computer, that's the point of the NAS in my case.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006



Spatule posted:

There will be no (running) onsite computer, that's the point of the NAS in my case.

Your NAS is a computer. edit: Oh, I see it's a Synology unit. Sorry I missed that. A lot of these cloud-based options won't be possible for you. IIRC, you can set up cron jobs on that unit, so you can write a script to send the images off to a remote host. Don't they also have ip-cam specific options, including uploading of images?

sleepy gary fucked around with this message at 11:56 on Jul 17, 2013

Spatule
Mar 18, 2003

I'M A WORTHLESS FAGGOT AND I HATE CANON.
SHOVEL HOT TAR INTO MY ANUS PLEASE.


DNova posted:

Your NAS is a computer. edit: Oh, I see it's a Synology unit. Sorry I missed that. A lot of these cloud-based options won't be possible for you. IIRC, you can set up cron jobs on that unit, so you can write a script to send the images off to a remote host. Don't they also have ip-cam specific options, including uploading of images?

I don't have it yet... It just says "Recordings can be backed up to an external storage or remote server"
I was thinking of using other functions of that system to sync the recordings to off site storage... Seems like it's not easy.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006



It's either going to have some easy thing in the software to set it up, or you can write a cron job to take care of it. It won't be that hard.

ShadowStalker
Apr 14, 2006


DNova posted:

Your NAS is a computer. edit: Oh, I see it's a Synology unit. Sorry I missed that. A lot of these cloud-based options won't be possible for you. IIRC, you can set up cron jobs on that unit, so you can write a script to send the images off to a remote host. Don't they also have ip-cam specific options, including uploading of images?

http://www.hanselman.com/blog/HowTo...Strategies.aspx

It's Synology, so packages have most likely already been created by other users to add that functionality. The above link walks you through setting up Crashplan with a Synology unit

streetlamp
May 7, 2007

Danny likes his party hat
He does not like his banana hat

Can anyone help me with my FreeNAS / Linux ignorance?
See my post at the FreeNAS forums http://forums.freenas.org/threads/r...t-volume.13327/

featurecreep
Jul 23, 2002

Yes, Robinson, take the Major, the Robot, your wife and kids... but leave Will for my plea-- his education.

Well, I stupidly ordered my 3TB Red drives from NewEgg before reading this thread. Stupid me, I now have one dead drive degrading my zpool, not 12 hours after building my NAS!

Good thing I didn't move anything critical, I just decided to do a write-endurance test by copying 1TB or so from one of my old drives onto my NAS. I heard a very alarming and very loud CLICCKKKCRACK from my NAS and watched it lag as a drive was dropped from my RaidZ1 ZFS pool.

I'm still ZFS-stupid, the drive is actually showing as REMOVED right now (when I rebooted my N54L I watched NAS4Free boot and give up entirely on the drive (WRITE_FPDMA_QUEUED errors). When I receive the (hopefully longer-living) replacement, do I simply do:

code:
zpool replace myzpoolname crapDevice goodDevice
... or am I wrong on the command?

As for running with a degraded pool, assuming no other drives die I should be able to still utilize the disks and just hope another one doesn't grenade? I have ~ 4TB I want to eventually move onto here, but I can easily keep the original disks intact for a few weeks. It would be nice to get a head-start on the long-ass copy, though.

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


shymog posted:

Well, I stupidly ordered my 3TB Red drives from NewEgg before reading this thread. Stupid me, I now have one dead drive degrading my zpool, not 12 hours after building my NAS!

Good thing I didn't move anything critical, I just decided to do a write-endurance test by copying 1TB or so from one of my old drives onto my NAS. I heard a very alarming and very loud CLICCKKKCRACK from my NAS and watched it lag as a drive was dropped from my RaidZ1 ZFS pool.

I'm still ZFS-stupid, the drive is actually showing as REMOVED right now (when I rebooted my N54L I watched NAS4Free boot and give up entirely on the drive (WRITE_FPDMA_QUEUED errors). When I receive the (hopefully longer-living) replacement, do I simply do:

code:
zpool replace myzpoolname crapDevice goodDevice
... or am I wrong on the command?

As for running with a degraded pool, assuming no other drives die I should be able to still utilize the disks and just hope another one doesn't grenade? I have ~ 4TB I want to eventually move onto here, but I can easily keep the original disks intact for a few weeks. It would be nice to get a head-start on the long-ass copy, though.

Nope, that will do the trick. A resilvering later and everything should be in order.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

ああ!彼からのメールだ!

College Slice

What's wrong with WD reds? I have 3 2TB that are itching to be used?

OK, I think I know what I want, but I require goon approval. I had an HP Media Smart EX485 which got stuck in an infinite rebooting loop, so I pulled all the drives and sold it. I want to roll my own because fuck devices that you're REQUIRED to remote into (or spend some time carefully soldering PS/2 and VGA headers onto the motherboard).

I have 3 2TB WD Red drives, I have some 750GB Seagates that have some data on them, a case and a Intel 320 series SSD.

What I think I should do is pick up an i3 or i5, 16GB of RAM, one of those expansion cards that adds 8 SATA connectors, another 2TB Red, and throw FreeNAS on it. Install the OS to the SSD, and RAID-Z2 the Red drives.

Is this reasonable or am I missing something?

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh

Phone posted:

What's wrong with WD reds? I have 3 2TB that are itching to be used?

Nothing, but Newegg packs them improperly and so a lot of them end up DOA, or die within a day or two.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006



Phone posted:

What's wrong with WD reds? I have 3 2TB that are itching to be used?

OK, I think I know what I want, but I require goon approval. I had an HP Media Smart EX485 which got stuck in an infinite rebooting loop, so I pulled all the drives and sold it. I want to roll my own because fuck devices that you're REQUIRED to remote into (or spend some time carefully soldering PS/2 and VGA headers onto the motherboard).

I have 3 2TB WD Red drives, I have some 750GB Seagates that have some data on them, a case and a Intel 320 series SSD.

What I think I should do is pick up an i3 or i5, 16GB of RAM, one of those expansion cards that adds 8 SATA connectors, another 2TB Red, and throw FreeNAS on it. Install the OS to the SSD, and RAID-Z2 the Red drives.

Is this reasonable or am I missing something?

Newegg uses them for football practice before shipping them. Otherwise they are fine.

e:f;b

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

shymog posted:

I'm still ZFS-stupid, the drive is actually showing as REMOVED right now (when I rebooted my N54L I watched NAS4Free boot and give up entirely on the drive (WRITE_FPDMA_QUEUED errors). When I receive the (hopefully longer-living) replacement, do I simply do:...
ZFS daemons will offline and remove drives entirely from their vdevs if there's unrecoverable errors that happen for about 24 hours I believe.

Phone posted:

Is this reasonable or am I missing something?
If you want to run ZFS, only want to run that machine as a NAS + light - medium resource load services set (1080P transcoding for, say, Plex Media Server is medium weight now), and are interested in some form of ECC RAM (if you have data you care more than $100 extra about, you should), then you may be interested in an i3 3220 that supports ECC RAM. But from there, you now need a motherboard that supports ECC, which is kind of expensive and prohibitive for the one Intel mini ITX board that that exists, so you may want to consider a micro ATX case in the process.

The hardest problem that you run into when building compact NASes is balancing size, capabilities, power consumption, and temperature control. I'm having a hell of a time with my current HP N36L that sits in an enclosed TV stand and I'm realizing now that it's destroying the lifetime of my hard drives. So now I'm having to rethink my setup a bit. That and I just realized that I have only 500GB free out of like 6TB available, oops.

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