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ShaneB
Oct 22, 2002



I'm currently running a fairly old build of Xpenology, and everything is working rather smoothly. However, I am thinking I'd like to move to something officially supported. Has anyone here migrated from Xpenology to Synology? I haven't been able to find anything about how to properly do this and am afraid of losing data!

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


ShaneB posted:

I'm currently running a fairly old build of Xpenology, and everything is working rather smoothly. However, I am thinking I'd like to move to something officially supported. Has anyone here migrated from Xpenology to Synology? I haven't been able to find anything about how to properly do this and am afraid of losing data!

You would move your drives over and hope it migrates them. You should really make a backup first.

mayodreams
Jul 4, 2003


Hello darkness,
my old friend


FreeNAS 9.3 Folks:

A recent update killed my sustained throughput on CIFS shares so it would go full speed for a few seconds, crater to zero, full speed, crater, etc. I found this thread on the FreeNAS forums:

https://forums.freenas.org/index.ph...try-this.27751/

And in particular, the section "#4 Disable DOS attributes" resolved my issues by putting the following settings in the Auxiliary parameters section of the CIFS service config:

code:
ea support = no
store dos attributes = no
map archive = no
map hidden = no
map readonly = no
map system = no

eightysixed
Sep 23, 2004

I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.


Don Lapre posted:

You would move your drives over and hope it migrates them. You should really make a backup first.

Are you still running Xpenology? I'm just curious, but I definitely still am.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


eightysixed posted:

Are you still running Xpenology? I'm just curious, but I definitely still am.

Yep. still on 5.1. havn't upgraded to 5.2 yet

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

Speaking of FreeNAS updates and broken stuff, I was using the Plex plugin and they added a new setting in Preferences.xml that blocked me from accessing it from a client. I changed the network mask and also something like disableRemoteSecurity for a moment and it was back to the usual for me. Really hard to find out the actual fix with everyone talking about ssh tunneling to localhost (didn't work for me) and I did a diff from the preferences.xml I got with a fresh Plex jail install and figured it out.

Shaocaholica
Oct 29, 2002

Fig. 5E


I can't tell if fucked up my drive.

I ran a ATA secure erase on a Samsung 2.5" 2TB spinner from Parted Magic for shits and it was saying it would take ~360minutes and that I shouldn't try to stop it. I've never run a secure erase on a spinning drive before but I always thought that nothing can hurt them functionally. Well I was impatient and forcefully killed the secure erase. Now I can't seem to partition/format the drive. I haven't tried using the Samsung/Seatools yet but is force killing ATA secure erase on a spinning drive enough to brick it?

dutchbstrd
Apr 28, 2004
Think for Yourself, Question Authority.

So I've been super out of the loop forever but I want to get a proper NAS and Kodi device to finally retire my ancient HTPC.

I am torn between the DS415+

http://www.amazon.com/Synology-Amer...=synology+ds415

Or the 415play

http://www.amazon.com/Synology-Amer...=synology+ds415

Since I want dedicated hardware for Kodi I am not sure if I need all of the DLNA shit on the play so I might opt for the more powerful 415+. Does anyone have a 415play? Can you get a torrent application and SABNZBD set up easily? I'm assuming it's no problem on the 415+ but I'm not sure about the play.

Then for Kodi. Should I get a Pi or is there something better these days?

After all that I think I'll get 4x6TB but maybe just go for 4x4 instead. I know literally nothing about raid options these days either. Any recommended arrays for maximum space? I figure if I lose one drive I'm okay, seems very unlikely I'll the protection of 2 drives failing.

uhhhhahhhhohahhh
Oct 9, 2012


Don Lapre posted:

Yep. still on 5.1. havn't upgraded to 5.2 yet

Still using it too and haven't upgraded. I cant see any better alternative to it, I'm worried they're going to find a way to shut it down and there wont be updates though.


Need some ideas for external access: I've got a noip.com DDNS set up, but on the free version I have to confirm my account every 30 days. I don't want to pay for one... is there a better and free alternative? Don't have a static IP and don't think I can get one either. Mostly just using it remotely to access the Diskstation, NZBGet, Sonarr and Couchpotatoe web UIs and using their apps on my phone and rarely a VPN

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


Asus routers have a built in free one

Souffle
Aug 9, 2005


FreeDNS is free and doesn't require you to check in every so often. I've been using it for my ttrss server and haven't had any problems.

phosdex
Dec 16, 2005



Tortured By Flan

opendns will do free dyndns as well

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002





Smellrose

Would using FreeBSD and zfs plus whatever else i toss in there be a decent way to learn linux without putting my files at risk after setup due to inevitable fuckups? My desktop is my plex server and I want to get a NAS going so I'm probably going to get a thinkserver. I can't decide if I should go with FreeNAS or if using it to learn linux will be beneficial without being a risky lab.

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


If you want to learn Linux I would not install FreeBSD. Install Debian and the ZFS deb and you are good to go.

You could always add a KVM VM and try everything you want.

Edit: If you are more comfortable with FreeNAS for your files, maybe you can install a Linux VM on FreeNAS, I don't know if it supports a HyperVisor.

So, yeah, go for it

Mr Shiny Pants fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jul 14, 2015

Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!

Raymn posted:

Would using FreeBSD and zfs plus whatever else i toss in there be a decent way to learn linux without putting my files at risk after setup due to inevitable fuckups? My desktop is my plex server and I want to get a NAS going so I'm probably going to get a thinkserver. I can't decide if I should go with FreeNAS or if using it to learn linux will be beneficial without being a risky lab.

The big problem with learning Linux from FreeBSD is that it's not Linux.

If you're just going to be a very light user the differences won't be so huge, most of the really, really basic skills are transferable and you can install the same shells. But they have very different software ecosystems and you'd never put "Linux sysadmin" on a resume from using BSD.

ShaneB
Oct 22, 2002



Don Lapre posted:

You would move your drives over and hope it migrates them. You should really make a backup first.

Make a backup of my NAS... but that's what the parity drive is for. :|

Do the drives just sort of exist independently of the OS and the configuration of all that? Like I would just slap the drives in a new Synology box and cross my fingers that the data would just work in the new OS environment?

ShaneB fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Jul 15, 2015

Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!

ShaneB posted:

Make a backup of my NAS... but that's what the parity drive is for. :|

RAID is not a backup.

If you have a real backup of your important data and want to live dangerously, just plug the disks in and pray. You might get surprised. Most likely the only option is to make a copy of all the data, update everything, then move the data back onto them.

mayodreams
Jul 4, 2003


Hello darkness,
my old friend


Desuwa posted:

RAID is not a backup.

If you have a real backup of your important data and want to live dangerously, just plug the disks in and pray. You might get surprised. Most likely the only option is to make a copy of all the data, update everything, then move the data back onto them.

1000x this. I have my data in a RAIDz6, but still make monthly backups to external hard drives, and anything I really care about gets backup to the CrashPlan butt.

Relying on RAID as a backup, even with replication to another system, is playing with fire.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


ShaneB posted:

Make a backup of my NAS... but that's what the parity drive is for. :|

Do the drives just sort of exist independently of the OS and the configuration of all that? Like I would just slap the drives in a new Synology box and cross my fingers that the data would just work in the new OS environment?

I was able to migrate from a real synology to xpenology. I have heard of people going the other way as well. Honestly though you are going to take a performance hit unless you are buying one of their high end syno boxes.

ShaneB
Oct 22, 2002



Don Lapre posted:

I was able to migrate from a real synology to xpenology. I have heard of people going the other way as well. Honestly though you are going to take a performance hit unless you are buying one of their high end syno boxes.

I'm currently using a Shuttle box from like 2009 as my Xpenology.

Desuwa posted:

RAID is not a backup.

If you have a real backup of your important data and want to live dangerously, just plug the disks in and pray. You might get surprised. Most likely the only option is to make a copy of all the data, update everything, then move the data back onto them.

Yeah, I know. I don't consider digital movies and TV shows to be that essential to my life, and have backups of my photographs and music that I keep on there as well. I just don't have 4TB of parking space for the digital movies and TV to live on in the mean time.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

ShaneB posted:

Yeah, I know. I don't consider digital movies and TV shows to be that essential to my life, and have backups of my photographs and music that I keep on there as well. I just don't have 4TB of parking space for the digital movies and TV to live on in the mean time.
You can get that for under $100 these days. Having a spare 4TB external is never a bad thing.

greazeball
Feb 4, 2003




Oven Wrangler

I just got the WD My Cloud Mirror 8TB and it was dead easy to get running and not a lot more expensive than buying all the components separately. Plex is in their app store now and again, it was super simple to set up. It was a great choice for me, a lazy man.

uhhhhahhhhohahhh
Oct 9, 2012


Don Lapre posted:

Asus routers have a built in free one

I do have an RT-N56U but thought it just gave you a list of providers like noip and you had to make accounts and I didn't want to expose my router. I'll have a look

Teabag Dome Scandal
Mar 19, 2002





Smellrose

Desuwa posted:

The big problem with learning Linux from FreeBSD is that it's not Linux.

If you're just going to be a very light user the differences won't be so huge, most of the really, really basic skills are transferable and you can install the same shells. But they have very different software ecosystems and you'd never put "Linux sysadmin" on a resume from using BSD.

Details details! I was really just regurgitating someones previous suggestion to an unrelated question a page or so back but I take your point.

Realistically what I would like is the "best/easiest" flavor of *nix, whatever that may be, to setup a NAS with while learning it and not wish a year later I had used something different now that I understood things a bit better. It seems like zfs pools can maybe be moved to a new system, so as long as there isn't a "better" zfs implementation I guess it doesn't matter what I go with.

Also, Best Buy has 3tb Reds for $85 Edit: Looks like its dead!

Teabag Dome Scandal fucked around with this message at 22:02 on Jul 15, 2015

The Electronaut
May 10, 2009


uhhhhahhhhohahhh posted:

I do have an RT-N56U but thought it just gave you a list of providers like noip and you had to make accounts and I didn't want to expose my router. I'll have a look

Look at the Merlin firmware, not sure if it is available for your router but it can be setup to run a custom script for dynamic DNS providers.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


uhhhhahhhhohahhh posted:

I do have an RT-N56U but thought it just gave you a list of providers like noip and you had to make accounts and I didn't want to expose my router. I'll have a look



Freeeeee

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Sipping harsh elixir,
the ice above us melting fast


we just got a new Rackstation for our DVR storage.

it has 2x6TB WD reds in one group, Raid1. There is another 2x6TB WD Reds in another group, also Raid1. 6TB is enough storage to record 3 months of uninterrupted DVR footage from our cameras.

the First group is set up with an iSCSI target which is mapped on the DVR box. The second group is not shared to anything.

is there a way within the Synology OS to sync/mirror all the data stored on the first volume to the second volume? realtime, schedule, whatever. just needs to happen.

I know Raid is not a backup etc, just need to have the thing sync data from one volume to another.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


Laserface posted:

we just got a new Rackstation for our DVR storage.

it has 2x6TB WD reds in one group, Raid1. There is another 2x6TB WD Reds in another group, also Raid1. 6TB is enough storage to record 3 months of uninterrupted DVR footage from our cameras.

the First group is set up with an iSCSI target which is mapped on the DVR box. The second group is not shared to anything.

is there a way within the Synology OS to sync/mirror all the data stored on the first volume to the second volume? realtime, schedule, whatever. just needs to happen.

I know Raid is not a backup etc, just need to have the thing sync data from one volume to another.

Yes. Backup and Replication. Its built into the OS.

Also if this is for security if the dvr is not in a secure area id just get another cheap syno and store it elsewhere in the building.

Laserface
Dec 24, 2004

Sipping harsh elixir,
the ice above us melting fast


Don Lapre posted:

Yes. Backup and Replication. Its built into the OS.

Also if this is for security if the dvr is not in a secure area id just get another cheap syno and store it elsewhere in the building.

Thanks.

Rackstation and DVR PC is in the server room, so its reasonably secure. only 5 people have access and CCTV in the room.

mik
Oct 16, 2003
oh

I have a Synology DS-412+ with 3x2GB WD Reds, with something like 8% free space out of 3.6TB because I've been too lazy clean it up. I have another 2TB ready to be put in - how long is the volume rebuild going to take? Should I really try and reduce that down a bit before adding the 4th drive?

Gwaihir
Dec 8, 2009



Hair Elf

You're probably looking at 16-20 hour rebuild times. Maybe a day. Rebuilds don't go faster with less stuff on the drives, either- It's still going to touch every sector on the disk as far as I know.

dox
Mar 4, 2006


Mortanis posted:

Is there any way to get a Synology (something like a 1515+) to back up offsite to Crashplan easily? I really don't want to use Amazon Glacier - I'd like something with granular restore control and already have a Crashplan account.

I would head more in this direction: http://pcloadletter.co.uk/2012/01/3...n-syno-package/

You can install the Java Manager package, then install the required Java listed, and then just install the Crashplan package. Connect to it with a workstation by editing the IP in ui.properties file in AppData\Crashplan.

It's fairly reliable, and their email alerting is good. The issue really is with Synology updates, but since they actively maintain the packages I just wait a few days and then update. I've backed up ~1TB this month to Crashplan.

e: wrong page, oh well

dutchbstrd posted:

Then for Kodi. Should I get a Pi or is there something better these days?

Use Plex instead and then choose a Pi, Fire stick/tv, Roku, or whatever you want.

dox fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jul 17, 2015

phosdex
Dec 16, 2005



Tortured By Flan

nah, fuck plex. get a pi, use openelec's package of kodi.

poverty goat
Feb 15, 2004




phosdex posted:

nah, fuck plex. get a pi, use openelec's package of kodi.

You don't want to actually let kodi manage your media db on a pi, that's slow as shit. PLEX runs on your NAS and indexes all your media so the pi plugged into the TV doesn't have to think too hard.

phosdex
Dec 16, 2005



Tortured By Flan

I don't have that problem at all on a pi2. Part of the reason of doing this is so that I don't have to have subscriptions to more services, that is my biggest gripe with plex.

G-Prime
Apr 30, 2003

Baby, when it's love,
if it's not rough it isn't fun.


phosdex posted:

I don't have that problem at all on a pi2. Part of the reason of doing this is so that I don't have to have subscriptions to more services, that is my biggest gripe with plex.

Look at Emby instead, then. It's like Plex, but somewhat less mature, and doesn't require a subscription to do the majority of useful stuff. Packages available for many platforms, too.

Chuu
Sep 11, 2004



Grimey Drawer

I'm debating between building a custom 8-bay server using FreeNAS and just buying a Synology 8-bay unit. The setup will probably be 8x5TB/6TB WD RED's in Raid6/Raid-Z2. The cost is surprisingly (unsurprisingly?) similar.

I have a question about bit-rot though. With the way ZFS is designed bit rot looks next to impossible using Z1/Z2. With raid6, wouldn't you be theoretically be much less prone to bit rot since you have three "votes" as to what the data should look like -- so you can likely fix a bad sector? Does it work like this in practice?

Chuu fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Jul 18, 2015

ufarn
May 30, 2009


Is there a breakdown of the Synology products outside their website? Their website is kinda awful, and the product names aren't particularly instructive.

Decairn
Dec 1, 2007



ufarn posted:

Is there a breakdown of the Synology products outside their website? Their website is kinda awful, and the product names aren't particularly instructive.

What are you trying to answer? Software for them all is exactly the same. The only difference is their hardware basis which might limit what you want to do with them.

http://forum.synology.com/wiki/inde...oes_my_NAS_have is a good breakdown of CPU and RAM which is not on their main site and is comprehensive.

Other than that, there is a compare product feature and performance comparison on the main website (Products page bottom right) that are good to let you weight one versus another.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Chuu posted:

I have a question about bit-rot though. With the way ZFS is designed bit rot looks next to impossible using Z1/Z2. With raid6, wouldn't you be theoretically be much less prone to bit rot since you have three "votes" as to what the data should look like -- so you can likely fix a bad sector? Does it work like this in practice?
All data and metadata is checksummed, so it can test whether the reconstruction succeeded or not, and try different combinations of data and parity blocks. Multiple parity stripes are mainly used to mitigate the chance of additional disk failure during array resilvering, but on the off-chance you have two defect sectors in a RAIDZ stripe, it will obviously help. FreeNAS is set up by default for monthly scrubs, so data shouldn't break down, short of hardware failure or FreeNAS/ZFS fucking up.

--edit: Also, you can tell ZFS to create copies of data blocks on top of the vdev layers.

Combat Pretzel fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Jul 18, 2015

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