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DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Tiger.Bomb posted:

I feel like I should get more RAM. Can I mix ECC and non-ECC. I probably shouldn't. What ram would be compatible?
It's either/or, you can't mix. That said, the price difference between ECC and non-ECC is less than the price of replacing the 4GB RAM stick (assuming you're just going 4->8GB, which is plenty for <8TB of drives).

Kingston has an entire line of RAM specifically for Lenovo ThinkServers.

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


Anyone of you guys have a kill a watt and would like to measure the power consumption of your TS140?

Mine is kinda high and I am wondering if the drives are to blame or the non existent power management of Solaris.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

What do you consider kinda high? I've got a Supermicro board running 8 HDDs and a Xeon 1230v1 and that bitch eats up about 80W no matter what. IPMI is nice, but it adds wattage

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


DrDork posted:

What do you consider kinda high? I've got a Supermicro board running 8 HDDs and a Xeon 1230v1 and that bitch eats up about 80W no matter what. IPMI is nice, but it adds wattage

Mine is pushing 80 - 90, with 3 Seagate HDDs, M1015, Xeon 1225V3 and Open Indiana.

It also has an IcyDock Though Armor which has fans, 5 SSDs and an Infiniband card.

My TS440 running just an SSD, 32GB RAM, Xeon 1245V3, Infiniband card and Server 2012 does just 30 Watts.

Mr Shiny Pants fucked around with this message at 09:27 on May 25, 2015

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

Mr Shiny Pants posted:

Mine is kinda high and I am wondering if the drives are to blame or the non existent power management of Solaris.
I mean, it's been a few years I've last used OpenSolaris, but it had power management on Intel CPUs. It had even tickless schedulers and shit like that.

Tiger.Bomb
Jan 22, 2012


DrDork posted:

It's either/or, you can't mix. That said, the price difference between ECC and non-ECC is less than the price of replacing the 4GB RAM stick (assuming you're just going 4->8GB, which is plenty for <8TB of drives).

Kingston has an entire line of RAM specifically for Lenovo ThinkServers.

Easy enough. Bought the first one on the page. I didn't know newegg did free shipping that often, so I did most of my shopping on Amazon almost always.

BoyBlunder
Sep 17, 2008


Is 80% RAM usage on a Synology DS214 overtaxing it? Is that OK?

I'm trying to run Crashplan on my device, but it (java) has been using a ton of resources lately, causing it to hang/slow down tremendously.

Any tips?

Mr Shiny Pants
Nov 12, 2012


Combat Pretzel posted:

I mean, it's been a few years I've last used OpenSolaris, but it had power management on Intel CPUs. It had even tickless schedulers and shit like that.

I know and with PowerTop I can see the processor idling down to 800Mhz. It is just that the extra 60 Watts compared to it's bigger brother coming from two add-in cards a couple of SSDs and three HDs seems kinda high.

accipter
Sep 12, 2003


I want to re-organize how I store and backup my files, and looking for suggestions.

I have a Linux box with a couple of drives mounted individually. I backup my important data, locally and to an S3 drive. I considering migrating my important data to Crashplan as a superior backup solution. I am also considering pooling my storage hard drives (and potentially keeping on the OS on a separate drive) with ZFS. How dangerous is pooling? Is there a better way to handle data across multiple drives?

Edit: It seems like an LVM is the way to go rather than ZRAID.

accipter fucked around with this message at 02:23 on May 27, 2015

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

At the moment, i'm pulling apart all my old external WD and seagate drives and shoving them into an
8 bay Hotway non raid tower that I scored. It's one of these : https://www.pccasegear.com/index.ph...oducts_id=23687

One of the drives i've noticed the tower (and another seperate reader) don't like.
It'sa 3.5" WD Caviar. Far as I can tell, doesn't appear to be damaged but I did notice the SATA port doesn't appear to lock in when I attach it on either the tower or the 3.5" reader.

Is there anything you can do with drives like this, or is it straight to the bin?

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin




Buglord

accipter posted:

Edit: It seems like an LVM is the way to go rather than ZRAID.

There is a ton of fantastic reading material out there about ZFS. I'm going to resurrect an old desktop and use it as a ZFS playground.

Of particular interest to your question is this blog comparing RAIDZ, traditional RAID and mirroring. Here's some design considerations for speed, and here's some info on using SSDs to boost ZFS performance. And before deciding on anything, remember to look at the ZFS best practices guide.

My research was mainly geared towards ZFS in the context of VM virtual disk storage, but hopefully it's still useful to you (and others) as well.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you


Silly question: should I use hardware raid on my Asus Z77 board or software solution in windows 8? This is going to be a raid1 array for backing up pictures and crap on two identical new 1tb hard drives

I have to swap from AHCI in the BIOS to RAID mode and that feels weird.

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Oven Wrangler

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but Windows software raid should be perfectly fine for that sort of thing these days.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

Between the two, I'd say software Windows 8. The RAID provided by your motherboard is effectively software based as well. If you go the Windows route, you would be able to transfer the array to another PC a lot easier. Should even be able to transfer to other versions of Windows (7-10,. 2008-2012, I think).

Edit: Mirroring should make almost no difference between the two. Probably still easier to set up in Windows though.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Skandranon posted:

Between the two, I'd say software Windows 8. The RAID provided by your motherboard is effectively software based as well. If you go the Windows route, you would be able to transfer the array to another PC a lot easier.

This. Your motherboard does not have hardware RAID, I guarantee you it. So there's generally no real benefit to going with that and potentially having issues if you try to eventually move it to a different motherboard, vice doing it in Windows and being able to move it to another system without issue.

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you


Thanks! To windows it is

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin




Buglord

Just test the setup by pulling a drive and make sure it behaves as you'd expect. I got into storage spaces early and got burned... I had a mirrored set that still shit the bed when one of the hard drives went offline.

\/\/ Ahh, that would be more comfortable. I just bought a drobo instead.

H2SO4 fucked around with this message at 16:31 on May 28, 2015

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

Don't do storage spaces, do a proper mirrored volume. This will behave as expected when a drive fails.

Skandranon fucked around with this message at 17:33 on May 28, 2015

Internet Explorer
Jun 1, 2005





Oven Wrangler

H2SO4 posted:

I just bought a drobo instead.

Poor bastard.

H2SO4
Sep 11, 2001

put your money in a log cabin




Buglord


It's actually been pretty great, but I'm outgrowing it. Too underpowered to use iSCSI for any real work, but it's nice for a set it and forget it file dumping ground. Assuming I get more comfortable with ZFS i'm sure that's what I'll migrate to, and I can give the Drobo to my parents or something.

Fancy_Lad
May 15, 2003
Would you like to buy a monkey?

canyoneer posted:

This is going to be a raid1 array for backing up mirroring pictures and crap on between two identical new 1tb hard drives

Fixed that for you. You aren't actually backing anything up in this scenario, you are simply mirroring the data between the two drives for availability. Sure, if a single drive in the mirror up and dies on you, you won't lose data. You won't necessarily be protected in other situations where actual backups will protect you like data corruption, fire, theft, etc.

Just pointing out the obvious here. If your pictures and crap are actually important you should be looking into real backup options for them (Crashplan for instance)

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell



Fancy_Lad posted:

You won't necessarily be protected in other situations where actual backups will protect you like data corruption, fire, theft, etc.

I've found that the big thing people don't think about when using something other than a Real Backup Solution is that their preferred solution doesn't account for user error.

"oops, I accidentally deleted the wrong file. I'll just go get it from my 'backup'"

"oops, it's not on my backup because my backup is really just a thing that syncs my data from my main hard drive to another one and it already synced the delete action"

canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you


Yeah, I mean backup as "something stored in more than one place". The real important stuff ends up on a google drive or other PC as well. Just like how I keep a gun in my pocket, one in my car, nunchucks in my hat and a knife in my boot.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

Thermopyle posted:

I've found that the big thing people don't think about when using something other than a Real Backup Solution is that their preferred solution doesn't account for user error.

"oops, I accidentally deleted the wrong file. I'll just go get it from my 'backup'"

"oops, it's not on my backup because my backup is really just a thing that syncs my data from my main hard drive to another one and it already synced the delete action"
ZFS snapshots. Bam.

DJ Burette
Jan 6, 2010


So I'm looking to get a home server to move my 10Tb of media on to so that I can keep it available 24/7 without needing to leave my gaming pc on. I've currently got it spread out over 5 drives of varying size that I would ideally keep as they're all working fine. In addition I'd like to be able to transcode using plex to at least 2 two devices simultaneously as well as SABnzbd, sonarr, etc which cuts out most of the ready made nas boxes as far as I can tell. I can't use a TS140 either as it doesn't have enough drive bays and is pretty expensive here in the UK for some reason.

I put together this parts list and was wondering if it looks reasonable or if there is a better way for me to go about it?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor (£89.48 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£69.55 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£47.76 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Crucial BX100 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£49.54 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Fractal Design Node 804 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£76.79 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair CSM 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£53.83 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £386.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-29 09:59 BST+0100

I'll be running a spare copy of windows 8.1 on it as the OS with flexraid for data protection. Can anyone see any major problems with this?

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

DJ Burette posted:

So I'm looking to get a home server to move my 10Tb of media on to so that I can keep it available 24/7 without needing to leave my gaming pc on. I've currently got it spread out over 5 drives of varying size that I would ideally keep as they're all working fine. In addition I'd like to be able to transcode using plex to at least 2 two devices simultaneously as well as SABnzbd, sonarr, etc which cuts out most of the ready made nas boxes as far as I can tell. I can't use a TS140 either as it doesn't have enough drive bays and is pretty expensive here in the UK for some reason.

I put together this parts list and was wondering if it looks reasonable or if there is a better way for me to go about it?

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i3-4170 3.7GHz Dual-Core Processor (£89.48 @ CCL Computers)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H97M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£69.55 @ Aria PC)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory (£47.76 @ Scan.co.uk)
Storage: Crucial BX100 120GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (£49.54 @ CCL Computers)
Case: Fractal Design Node 804 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (£76.79 @ Aria PC)
Power Supply: Corsair CSM 450W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply (£53.83 @ Ebuyer)
Total: £386.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-05-29 09:59 BST+0100

I'll be running a spare copy of windows 8.1 on it as the OS with flexraid for data protection. Can anyone see any major problems with this?

That should be fine, I have a similar setup using Windows Server 2012 & SnapRaid. You might want to check out SnapRaid if you haven't already, it's similar to FlexRaid, but completely free. I used my old AMD Phenom 1055 and 16gb of RAM, so I also have a few HyperV VMs running on the same box. It's working out quite well so far.

Edit: never mind about the case, I couldn't load it at first, 10 bays is a lot for a MicroATX

Skandranon fucked around with this message at 14:39 on May 29, 2015

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

I got 10 drive bays before by using an Antec 300 and a 4 in 3 expander / backplane. Winds up being cheaper than if I had gotten a Supermicro case and all that by a good bit. It was maybe $100 for me total.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

My server currently has 12 drives in it, but it's a full tower and the hard drives are basically in 5.25" slots, with 120mm fans for intake over all of them, so they stay a fairly steady 25-30C. A microATX with 10 drives is going to build up a lot of heat.

phosdex
Dec 16, 2005



Tortured By Flan

It's really not going to. I got 10 drives stuffed into my 804 and heat isn't a concern at all.

edit: that's with just the 4 stock fans, 1 in front and 1 in back on each side of the chamber.

phosdex fucked around with this message at 21:16 on May 29, 2015

DJ Burette
Jan 6, 2010


I was worried about the heat generated but I was planning on moving the fans around so that there are two in the hard drive side of the case, one moving air in and one moving it out so I can try and keep a good airflow through them. I can't find any anecdotes online either of people having temperature troubles and if need be I can always add more fans, there's space for 10 fans in there.

Edit: Useful confirmation from phosdex.

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

Backblaze has some articles about heat and hard drive longevity, and Google did a study about it as well. The results are inconclusive, though my takeaway from them is that, while small differences in temperature will not change anything (35->30), going outside a certain range (50+, which also depends upon drive model) is generally bad and will likely lead to reduced lifetime. Consistency is also good, so if your drives are running constantly at 45, it's probably better than going from 20 to 35 and back. You'll also probably be more affected by random failures and bad luck than see a good trend either way, since all our sample sizes are so small.

Narmi
Feb 26, 2008


Has anyone here ever heard of or used the Seagate NAS STCU100? I came across it the other day, it has its limitations but looks pretty decent and well within my budget, but it seems to have been largely unreviewed.

e: I'm planning on 4x3tb Toshiba drives in RAID 5, won't be using it for more than storage and probably toss Plex on it.

Narmi fucked around with this message at 21:46 on May 29, 2015

Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!

Skandranon posted:

Backblaze has some articles about heat and hard drive longevity, and Google did a study about it as well. The results are inconclusive, though my takeaway from them is that, while small differences in temperature will not change anything (35->30), going outside a certain range (50+, which also depends upon drive model) is generally bad and will likely lead to reduced lifetime. Consistency is also good, so if your drives are running constantly at 45, it's probably better than going from 20 to 35 and back. You'll also probably be more affected by random failures and bad luck than see a good trend either way, since all our sample sizes are so small.

That's a dangerous conclusion. Google is running datacenters up to 35C, but I think that's the temperature of the air in the facility and not the temperature as measured by the drives, and they're much more efficient for it. However that's for a datacenter with hundreds of thousands of drives where they're balancing power consumption against failure rates. Large datacenters can afford to deal with higher drive failure rates when it means lower costs for cooling that more than offset the cost of replacing drives. I would be very cautious about applying that to a consumer environment where the marginal cost of cooling is basically nothing.

On the other hand I swear there was a study that showed that warmer drives were actually got progressively more reliable until a point where their failure rates quickly spiked, but I can't find it. I wouldn't challenge conventional wisdom off of one study that might not control for other variables that I can't even find, though.

e: To put failure rates and scale in perspective: Google's larger datacenters have hard drive "wood chippers" that they shovel drives into because destroying each failed hard drive individually takes too much time. The tradeoffs at that scale are very different than the tradeoffs for a home user.

Desuwa fucked around with this message at 05:34 on May 30, 2015

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

My personal mantra about drive temps and whatnot is to simply give them the best cooling I can reasonably give them while keeping it quiet enough to make me happy. So if I'm shoving it in a closet in another room, I'll stuff a fan or two extra in there and run them reasonably high to keep things cool. If it's gonna be sitting next to me? Bitch better be nigh silent, and if that means my drives only last an average of 3.25 years instead of 3.5 years, well fuck it, I'll pay the effective few extra bucks for the silence.

Either way you have to ensure your backup strategy covers drives that die, because whether it be from heat, old age, random chance, or whatever, drives will fail. And, quite frankly, unless you're talking some massive reduction in life-span at fairly modest heat changes, chances are pretty good that the "efficiency" rate is going to be completely ignorable compared to things like the simple march of technology: in the 2-3 years that it'll take the drive to fail, they're likely to drop substantially in price, so a 2TB drive that dies 6 months early is only "costing" you like $8. Which, depending on your setup, may actually be less than you would have spent on the extra cooling in the first place.

DrDork fucked around with this message at 05:39 on May 30, 2015

Skandranon
Sep 6, 2008
fucking stupid, dont listen to me

The main point I was trying to get across is that it probably doesn't matter that much, unless the drives are constantly at some really high temperature (50-60C, which is very hot to the touch). And as DrDork said, losing an extra year may be worth the silence, or not even matter as the drives will be upgraded out before then anyways. I already have my cases with the extra fans, so I'm probably going to keep using them until the ATX standard is dead. I wasn't suggesting everyone go get a full tower case with dedicated fans to keep their drives under 30C OR ELSE.

Bishyaler
Dec 30, 2009

Escape will make me god.

Megamarm

Does anyone have a 2 LAN Synology that they're using as a router? I've heard of this being done on older versions of DSM.

XRoja
Jan 8, 2002


Grimey Drawer

Anybody familiar with running Docker containers on the Synology DSM?

I'm not that impressed by the built-in torrent client on my DS1815+. I want to run Transmission (or ruTorrent or whatever) in a Docker container and point it at one of my existing shared folders. I get the general idea of how it works but I'm wondering if there's a good container in the registry that works particularly well with the Synology. What was your experience running docker on a Synology?

Decairn
Dec 1, 2007



I messed about with Subsonic in Docker. No help files for setting up Docker, and I didn't find it to be an intuitive UI. Ended up getting some decent help in a Synology forum thread and got it to run, setting variables and paths etc.. Without it I was a bit lost being a complete Docker newbie. The Docker project pages generally assume command line access, and Synology gives you the UI instead but from what I could tell it doesn't constrain you once you understand it.

http://forum.synology.com/enu/viewt...?f=258&t=100515 2nd page has the screen shots of setting up a container in UI.

Transmission is available as a regular package and is up-to-date on https://synocommunity.com/ if Docker doesn't work for you.

Decairn fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jun 4, 2015

devilmouse
Mar 26, 2004

It's just like real life.


What's the current "best" platform for ZFS? It's finally time I upgrade my old x86 Solaris Express install from back in '09 or '10 but I haven't paid much attention to ZFS in the meantime. The only real requirement is that I can run Linux VMs on it.

OpenIndiana? FreeBSD? Is it finally "good enough" on linux?

(My desire to run a full-blown ESXi install is not terribly high because )

mayodreams
Jul 4, 2003


Hello darkness,
my old friend


devilmouse posted:

What's the current "best" platform for ZFS? It's finally time I upgrade my old x86 Solaris Express install from back in '09 or '10 but I haven't paid much attention to ZFS in the meantime. The only real requirement is that I can run Linux VMs on it.

OpenIndiana? FreeBSD? Is it finally "good enough" on linux?

(My desire to run a full-blown ESXi install is not terribly high because )

FreeNAS has been great for me. The 9.x release was a bit spotty at first, but has been rock solid for a while now.

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