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Viktor
Nov 12, 2005



PSA: If you have a Synology device you should make sure your account email is up to date and subscribed to the security alerts at the account profile page

Click on "Profile" -> "Communications" and scroll down to the bottom to subscribe what device types you have:


There are a few bad ones over the past two weeks.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


Bobulus posted:

I could, but if I'm mirroring a directory I'm also getting a very primitive form of backup, so I never have to rip my DVD and bluray collection ever again, should either the NAS drive or my main hard drive die.

I can't bring myself to care about those files and consider RAID to be Backup for them despite RAID is not backup. Way easier than stringing together some Rube Goldberg setup so Plex can work. Does your "NAS" not actually do any RAID?

Bobulus
Jan 28, 2007



H110Hawk posted:

I can't bring myself to care about those files and consider RAID to be Backup for them despite RAID is not backup. Way easier than stringing together some Rube Goldberg setup so Plex can work. Does your "NAS" not actually do any RAID?

Nope. It's an old desktop with a single new hard drive in it. My budget is basically nil. I totally get why this worthy of mockery. I'm just... trying to cludge something together with what I already had on hand.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


Bobulus posted:

Nope. It's an old desktop with a single new hard drive in it. My budget is basically nil. I totally get when this worthy of mockery. I'm just... trying to cludge something together with what I already had on hand.

That's fine, just realized in my head it was 2 disks mirrored with Linux software raid and I should ask. Your plan sounds fine to me.

You might kill-a-watt it and see if you actually care if you put it to sleep. If you enable all of the power saving stuff it might use very very little power idle. If there is on-board video and a discrete gpu remove the gpu. Go into the bios and turn off the ports you don't use, that sort of thing.

MagusDraco
Nov 11, 2011

even speedwagon was trolled


Bobulus posted:

Nope. It's an old desktop with a single new hard drive in it. My budget is basically nil. I totally get why this worthy of mockery. I'm just... trying to cludge something together with what I already had on hand.

I mean I probably paid too much money ($20) for this Bvckup2 thing that just is a fancy coat of paint/UI over some sort of rsync / file and folder backup thing that supports delta copy and can be set to backup consistently, every X time period, or manually. I guess it can also be set to mirror or archive for X weeks before deleting files on the destination that disappeared from the source. If it runs in admin mode in win 10 pro it won't see network drives though so you have to manually type in the network path of the NAS (in my case a headless computer running win10 pro with remote desktop setup)

edit: I don't think it can do WakeOnLan stuff though.

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!



8TB Easystores are $130 from BB again this morning:
https://slickdeals.net/f/12588325-8...g?src=frontpage
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-eas...black/5792401.p

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006




Pushed deactivate on the disk with the bad sector and it immediately started rebuilding onto my hot spare.

vodkat
Jun 30, 2012



cannot legally be sold as vodka


So I've setup a vpn connection to my Synology NAS, and I can connect to it remotely just fine, but then once I'm connected I can't actually seem to find my nas (or anything else) on the local network, what's going wrong here and how to I fix it?

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Are you using the same local subnet at both ends?

Tapedump
Aug 31, 2007


College Slice

And are you looking by hostname or IP address? The latter is want you need (unless very specific VPN/DNS settings are employed).

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


You say "can't find it" - what happens if you go either \\ip.of.nas\ in explorer or from the finder cmd-k afp://ip.of.nas/ (or smb://)? Discovery is a lot of magic that isn't worth troubleshooting until you know the fundamentals work.

D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009



ZeroConf and Bonjour can get right the fuck off my network, thank you very much.
A simple DHCP configuration that hands out IP based on MAC address and offers the domain, DNS, and search domain for the network gets everything able to discover everything else regardless of whether they're single-stacked with IPv4 or IPv6, or dual-stacked with both.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Needed to add a couple SATA ports to a server and found this - as an FYI this seems to be the lowest-priced SAS2008 card on eBay right now. They accepted an offer for $20.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/46C8928-SA...RD/252818552952

Seems like in general prices on these have dropped a bit? I remember paying a good deal more than that in the past for one of mine. Annoyingly there are Intel-branded versions for half that price but they are apparently locked down so hard that they won't work on anything that isn't an Intel-branded server motherboard.

uhhhhahhhhohahhh
Oct 9, 2012


So this Synology vulnerability talk motivated me to start doing something about replacing my Xpenology install running on a Gen8 G1610t Microserver because I'm on 5.2 still and updating Xpenology is such a pain and i can't be bothered to deal with it anymore. I was having a problem with NZBGet and the NzbToMedia scripts so I thought fuck it, I'll reboot it and see what happens. It comes up and I get a message saying a bunch of sectors on my third disk have been repaired but it's status says Crashed and there are popups saying the volume status is Degraded. Wait a bit longer because it's doing something and now I can't get on anything, can't see the state of the storage in the Storage Manager but the widget says it's checking Parity Consistency still so I guess I could be Turbo Fucked??

I'm going to have to get another 4TB Red to replace it but after that, I still need to build something else. I've got a QNap TS-453 Pro with 4x 1TB lying around that I messed around in Container Station with briefly and got absolutely nowhere with it - tried installing NZBGet and had loads of problems with the .py scripts again and then the Container Station would shit the bed constantly and need to be re-installed so I'm not sure about it. Supposedly you can wipe the Q-NAP OS and installed whatever you want onto them quite easily - but it's capable of running Debian from inside the Q-NAP OS too.

I'm considering just installing Debian and building everything back up on that - was running NZBGet, Sonarr, CouchPotato, NZBHydra, Pi-Hole and OpenVPN before - but is that a Bad Idea for a headless box? Was going to run everything in containers hopefully and then just have it as a Linux box to mess around with as a side bonus. I was thinking about OpenMediaVault as an alternative as well because apparently it can run Debian apps but is OMV actually any good? Does anyone actually use it?

Not sure which one to do it on either way; the Q-NAP or the Gen8. Q-NAP has a J1900 which has 2 more cores than the Gen8 but it's single core performance is apparently much worse. They both only have 2GB of RAM so I'll probably need to upgrade that as well. The upside of using the Gen8 over the Q-NAP is i can use the 4x1 TB in it to temporarily store all my data after I trim it down a bit and then move it back onto the Gen8 after I've finished re-building it.

uhhhhahhhhohahhh fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Jan 6, 2019

Heners_UK
Jun 1, 2002


I've done basically that, but with Ubuntu. Seems a fine plan to me?

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless You Ants, Blants



Fun Shoe

I moved from Xpenology to FreeNAS and am now on Unraid on that same microserver, and it's good. I'd probably buy a Synology if I was doing it all over again, but this is fine for now.

eames
May 9, 2009



Heners_UK posted:

I've done basically that, but with Ubuntu. Seems a fine plan to me?

How bad is the janitoring though? I‘d be worried about keeping up to date with all the latest patches and configs without autoupdate breaking things while I’m away.
The main allure of a Synology is that it is hands-off. The OS does have pretty bad vulnerabilities from time to time but usually I get the „successful update“ notification before I read about the issue. Same with dockerr containers + watchtower.

uhhhhahhhhohahhh
Oct 9, 2012


Thanks Ants posted:

I moved from Xpenology to FreeNAS and am now on Unraid on that same microserver, and it's good. I'd probably buy a Synology if I was doing it all over again, but this is fine for now.


eames posted:

How bad is the janitoring though? I‘d be worried about keeping up to date with all the latest patches and configs without autoupdate breaking things while I’m away.
The main allure of a Synology is that it is hands-off. The OS does have pretty bad vulnerabilities from time to time but usually I get the „successful update“ notification before I read about the issue. Same with dockerr containers + watchtower.

My experience hasn't been that (with Xpenology, though) because the useful apps are community updated and there is no guarantee it'll work. Part of the reason I rebooted was because I went to update NZBGet and was just getting a generic 'package service failed to start' error. Maybe if I was on 6.0 and using containers it would be a better experience but at the moment, even though click install on a package manager is easy, when something goes wrong it basically tells you nothing useful when trying to fix it.

Not that my experience with containers on the Q-NAP was any better, there was like 6 different images for NZBGet and they were all missing the NzbToRadarr.py script and trying to add that to the docker image yourself in Q-NAP wasn't fun.

I'm leaning towards OMV at the moment because it gives a nice Syno like frontend, has plugins and can run Debian apps if the plugins don't work very well - should be able to run containers as well.

Don't really know what to do with the Xpenology at the moment though. I get a network error when I try and look at Storage Manager which isn't right because I'm connected to it. a 'cat /proc/mdstat' says "resync=PENDING" and 'mdadm --detail /dev/md3' gives "State : active, degraded" and "faulty spare rebuilding". Don't think it's actually doing anything though. Should be getting a new disk tomorrow. Don't know whether to reboot and see what happens, leave it in case it rebuilds somehow or power it down for now.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002


If you're containerizing then updating is a breeze for your apps themselves. And your confide are stored outside of the containers so you can back them up easily and restore easily too (including your docket compose file).

Your initial janitoring will be kind of a pain but after that it should be pretty hands off.

uhhhhahhhhohahhh
Oct 9, 2012


That's good. How about moving configs from a normal Syno installed package to a Container?

Wondering if I should just update this Xpenology to DSM 6 actually. Will probably be a lot easier than starting fresh with something else once I've unfucked the RAID but then there will still be that vulnerability (and probably others). The only thing I have facing the internet is the OpenVPN port.

Struggling to find some 2x4GB ECC kits I can get next day in the UK that aren't £200+

Heners_UK
Jun 1, 2002


eames posted:

How bad is the janitoring though?

Autoupdate takes care of the OS nicely in my case. I'll occasionally ssh in and see pending updates but that's explainable by logging in before the updates were applied at night. No major janitorial duties.

EDIT: My answer assumes everything is in Docker and you're running stable channels where you can. Also setup is about as much effort as anywhere else if you know what you're doing. Keep in mind I liked my Synology when I had it, and I'm an OpenMediaVault fan even if I no longer use it.

Heners_UK fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Jan 7, 2019

suddenlyissoon
Feb 17, 2002

Don't be sad that I am gone.


Thanks Ants posted:

I moved from Xpenology to FreeNAS and am now on Unraid on that same microserver, and it's good. I'd probably buy a Synology if I was doing it all over again, but this is fine for now.

I also moved away from Xpenology after 4 years on it. I got tired worrying if I was just going to lose everything anytime there was an update. There have also been so many major security updates (but minor upgrades) that I was missing that I started getting concerned and just bought an 1819+ and moved my plex server to Ubuntu.

uhhhhahhhhohahhh
Oct 9, 2012


I'd already bought a new disk... but as a test I removed the disk from the microserver, rebooted and it seemed fine - aside from the warnings about it being degraded. Shutdown, put the supposed bad disk back in and it's booted fine. It's actually usable compared to nothing yesterday. Just says System Partition Failed in the the status. Ran a SMART test on it and it's coming back as Normal. Only 1 bad sector. What one should I trust

Rexxed
May 1, 2010

Dis is amazing!
I gotta try dis!



Only one bad sector? I hate to break it to you but that's one bad sector too many and the disk is on its way out.

LorneReams
Jun 27, 2003
I'm bizarre

College Slice

I've been using my computer like a swiss army knife, as in it's handing file storage, streaming, production, and gaming. I've realized after a HD crash as well as a high electric bill, that I should probably segregate these tasks as opposed to just leaving my PC on 100% of the time. I got a laptop to handle productivity shit and financial, boring shit, and I'm going to rebuild the gaming PC to be more focused on that task, but then that leaves me with wanting a File Storage and streaming box. I primarily will use this for backups and streaming (using Plex) for my household. Looking online is such a dazzling array of choices that I'm unsure where to start. I don't know what I need in terms of firepower to be able to stream, so it's hard to get a handle on the requirements. Any help will be appreciated.

MagusDraco
Nov 11, 2011

even speedwagon was trolled


uhhhhahhhhohahhh posted:

I'd already bought a new disk... but as a test I removed the disk from the microserver, rebooted and it seemed fine - aside from the warnings about it being degraded. Shutdown, put the supposed bad disk back in and it's booted fine. It's actually usable compared to nothing yesterday. Just says System Partition Failed in the the status. Ran a SMART test on it and it's coming back as Normal. Only 1 bad sector. What one should I trust

I toss disks with 1 bad sector since usually that means there's way more coming.

Latest one I just removed from my stablebit drivepool stuff actually registered a second bad sector during the day or so it took to remove. Maybe I'll be able to RMA the disk this time though it isn't more than two years old.

Already bought a replacement though. Is it okay to just let a replacement just sit on a shelf/in a desk somewhere in a box?

Tapedump
Aug 31, 2007


College Slice

If you don't mind missing the return window if it happens to be DOA, yes.

Schadenboner
Aug 15, 2011

I MEAN, TURN OFF YOURE MONITOR, MIGTH EXPLAIN YOUR BAD POSTS, HOPE THIS HELPS?!

It’s like the Daley quote (probably apocryphal, I’ve also heard it variously attributed): “What do you call a friend who’s 99% loyal?” Disloyal.

uhhhhahhhhohahhh
Oct 9, 2012


Rexxed posted:

Only one bad sector? I hate to break it to you but that's one bad sector too many and the disk is on its way out.


MagusDraco posted:

I toss disks with 1 bad sector since usually that means there's way more coming.

Latest one I just removed from my stablebit drivepool stuff actually registered a second bad sector during the day or so it took to remove. Maybe I'll be able to RMA the disk this time though it isn't more than two years old.

Already bought a replacement though. Is it okay to just let a replacement just sit on a shelf/in a desk somewhere in a box?

I took a gamble and started repairing it with it in. It lasted a couple of minutes then the status changed to Crashed again. Guess the new ones going in.

I think if/when I rebuild this on OMV (or whatever I pick) i'm going to go for 2 disk redundancy instead. I can manage fine on 8TB just cleaning up now and then, i've never dropped below 1TB free.

eames
May 9, 2009



Heners_UK posted:

Autoupdate takes care of the OS nicely in my case. I'll occasionally ssh in and see pending updates but that's explainable by logging in before the updates were applied at night. No major janitorial duties.

EDIT: My answer assumes everything is in Docker and you're running stable channels where you can. Also setup is about as much effort as anywhere else if you know what you're doing. Keep in mind I liked my Synology when I had it, and I'm an OpenMediaVault fan even if I no longer use it.

Thought about giving Ubuntu a try, saw this and I think I'm good with my Synology.

MagusDraco
Nov 11, 2011

even speedwagon was trolled


eames posted:

Thought about giving Ubuntu a try, saw this and I think I'm good with my Synology.

I'm just going to keep running a headless win 10 pro box with 4 8tb hdds and stablebit drivepool and scanner until I need more hard drives.

Probably would have been better off with something else if ffmpeg command line batch stuff worked on it.

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


uhhhhahhhhohahhh posted:

I'd already bought a new disk... but as a test I removed the disk from the microserver, rebooted and it seemed fine - aside from the warnings about it being degraded. Shutdown, put the supposed bad disk back in and it's booted fine. It's actually usable compared to nothing yesterday. Just says System Partition Failed in the the status. Ran a SMART test on it and it's coming back as Normal. Only 1 bad sector. What one should I trust

There are several ways to test the health of the disk. It doesn't matter which one fails, it's extremely binary unless you are trying desperate-measures data recovery.

The technical term for that disk is "fucked." I actually just boxed up a 1-bad-sector RMA return just last night out of my Synology. You're on borrowed time.

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009


Is it really needed to install Ubuntu on a ZFS partition as that how-to is saying? To me looks like a waste of time and resources. Wouldn't it be better to mount the ZFS pool somewhere (/mount/zfs) and go from there? Sorry if it is a dumb question, i have no experience whatsoever with ZFS, BSD or Linux.

uhhhhahhhhohahhh
Oct 9, 2012


H110Hawk posted:

There are several ways to test the health of the disk. It doesn't matter which one fails, it's extremely binary unless you are trying desperate-measures data recovery.

The technical term for that disk is "fucked." I actually just boxed up a 1-bad-sector RMA return just last night out of my Synology. You're on borrowed time.

Yeah I just put the new disk in, running the extended SMART test before I start rebuilding but the Synology says its going to take 255 minutes (!!!)


Heners_UK posted:

Autoupdate takes care of the OS nicely in my case. I'll occasionally ssh in and see pending updates but that's explainable by logging in before the updates were applied at night. No major janitorial duties.

EDIT: My answer assumes everything is in Docker and you're running stable channels where you can. Also setup is about as much effort as anywhere else if you know what you're doing. Keep in mind I liked my Synology when I had it, and I'm an OpenMediaVault fan even if I no longer use it.

Why did you stop using OMV?

derk
Sep 24, 2004


Volguus posted:

Is it really needed to install Ubuntu on a ZFS partition as that how-to is saying? To me looks like a waste of time and resources. Wouldn't it be better to mount the ZFS pool somewhere (/mount/zfs) and go from there? Sorry if it is a dumb question, i have no experience whatsoever with ZFS, BSD or Linux.

You are correct. I have Ubuntu installed on a regular formatted drive, and my storage is a zfs pool i mount. it is not painful whatsoever.

uhhhhahhhhohahhh
Oct 9, 2012


Oof. Started trying to figure out what went wrong with the NZBGet package on the Synology after I updated it. It wasn't running because it couldn't find a specific folder - the main folder with all the config in. Looks like it wiped it for some reason when I updated it. Uninstalling and re-installing made it run but now it's a blank install. Can't see if there is an old config left somewhere either and can't remember the last time I made a backup for some reason its kept and loaded the History.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002


eames posted:

Thought about giving Ubuntu a try, saw this and I think I'm good with my Synology.

You don't need to do this. If you want an encrypted boot drive you pick encrypted LVM during setup.

IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Matt Zerella posted:

You don't need to do this. If you want an encrypted boot drive you pick encrypted LVM during setup.

Hell I don't even bother with the encrypted boot drive. Does it get you anything other than some security if someone physically steals the disk?

H110Hawk
Dec 28, 2006


IOwnCalculus posted:

Hell I don't even bother with the encrypted boot drive. Does it get you anything other than some security if someone physically steals the disk?

It also gets you security if you need to RMA the disk. But for steady state - no.

Heners_UK
Jun 1, 2002


uhhhhahhhhohahhh posted:

Why did you stop using OMV?

A few reasons (but I moved away some time ago so can't remember the specifics):
1. Plugin system grew a bit tiresome for me. I was janitoring quite a bit keeping up with Plex versions for example.
2. The WebUI wasn't where I wanted it to be in terms of ease for some things. SSH Keys is an example.
3. Honestly I only really have one user (me) who uses it.
4. It wasn't saving me time anymore
5. After the fact: Docker began to give me the advantages from the plugin system
6. GRAB YOUR PITCHFORKS: I'm happy with just a pile of USB drives plugged into an old laptop as my home server/nas. No raid etc. Backed up off site nightly for important stuff.

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