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Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



tuyop posted:

I basically want a harddrive in my home that can be accessed through the internet. I'm just wondering if an NAS is what I want to make this happen. I assume that one solution will use an FTP (and that would be great for uploading photos from the road), but having it automatically mount as a drive to my Macbook would be pretty killer.

A use case example is basically being in, say, Mexico and having access to my iTunes library which exists on my computer in Alberta. Most likely is just accessing it from my computer connected to a school wifi.

Will an NAS Appliance be able to do this?
Something that does all this will probably be called a NAS, yes.

I'm not using the specific services you want and I don't know about automounting, but dropbox-like functionality is certainly available. Access to your music as well, although again I have no idea how easy it would be to make it interact with iTunes specifically.

e. I'm using a Synology box, google around.

Star War Sex Parrot
Oct 2, 2003



Muldoon

tuyop posted:

I guess I'd like it to work with a PC desktop as well. I wish I knew the proper terms for this other than "hard drive that can be mounted to my computers through the internet".
All of WD's new "My Cloud" line of NAS products support remote access from computers and mobile devices.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted


Fun Shoe

Flipperwaldt posted:

Something that does all this will probably be called a NAS, yes.

I'm not using the specific services you want and I don't know about automounting, but dropbox-like functionality is certainly available. Access to your music as well, although again I have no idea how easy it would be to make it interact with iTunes specifically.

e. I'm using a Synology box, google around.

The cloud folder Synology (and WD) solution sounds great for photos up to a point, but I'm trying to keep space free on my laptop. Though I guess I could just have an external HDD that I cart around with the synced folder on it for an iTunes library and that would work pretty well if there's no way to mount it as a cloud drive anywhere.

Edit: This combined with an NAS set up as an FTP seems like it'll work pretty well.

tuyop fucked around with this message at 18:17 on Aug 16, 2014

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.


My new NAS has been stuck in an Amazon delivery truck for 3 days while they repeatedly lie about trying to deliver it.

Does that count as 'cloud storage'?

thideras
Oct 27, 2010

Fuck you, I'm a tree.


Fun Shoe

spog posted:

My new NAS has been stuck in an Amazon delivery truck for 3 days while they repeatedly lie about trying to deliver it.

Does that count as 'cloud storage'?
Only if it was stuck on a plane for 3 days, sorry.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



tuyop posted:

The cloud folder Synology (and WD) solution sounds great for photos up to a point, but I'm trying to keep space free on my laptop. Though I guess I could just have an external HDD that I cart around with the synced folder on it for an iTunes library and that would work pretty well if there's no way to mount it as a cloud drive anywhere.

Edit: This combined with an NAS set up as an FTP seems like it'll work pretty well.
Getting in way over my head here and again something I'm not using personally, but possibly WebDAV is what you're looking for. The wiki page says support for mounting as drive is native in OSX and Windows. And I've noticed that it is a thing I could set up on my Synology.

Hughlander
May 11, 2005



spog posted:

My new NAS has been stuck in an Amazon delivery truck for 3 days while they repeatedly lie about trying to deliver it.

Does that count as 'cloud storage'?

Sorry it must be my new AWS instance, so yes.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.


Hughlander posted:

Sorry it must be my new AWS instance, so yes.

Godammit. I've just realised that I've missed a great opportunity for an Amazon Glacier joke.

Dotcom Jillionaire
Jul 19, 2006

Social distortion


I'm thinking about changing by personal cloud backup solution with my Synology NAS. Right now I use Synology's CloudStation software to sync files (downloads, music library, documents, work files, etc) across a Mac desktop, Windows/Linux laptop, and 2x Android devices. I liked CloudStation because it worked pretty well across every one of these platforms but now that I've had it implemented for a few months I'm starting to realize that there are some issues with the software:

- When CloudStation syncs on my Windows machine it will frequently disconnect my Mac from the network
- I've inadvertently created a bunch of file conflicts on some very important documents (I assume from keeping them open on multiple machines)
- I sync my Downloads folder and every time I download something in Chrome it creates a temporary file until the download completes. CloudStation syncs these temp files which creates needless writes on the NAS (not to mention more junk files it clean later in the case of an incomplete download, though this can be fixed with some configuration)
- On the mobile side of things, the CloudStation software works differently. On my computers I can choose multiple folders to sync in the CloudStation directory. On my mobile device I can only choose one folder to sync in the CloudStation directory which I'm sure is not the intended way of doing things.
- Due to the way CloudStation works (only syncs the CloudStation folder) I had to retool a lot of my folder structure. I'd prefer if I could just select what directories on what computers should sync.

Also for the first time in 2.5 years, one of my disks in the DiskStation has become degraded. Hardware failures are inevitable but I can't help but wonder if implementing CloudStation played a role in speeding up that failure.

Anyway, I might stick with CloudStation and just rework how I have things configured/structured, but I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions for other backup solutions that they've had success with. I'm looking only at solutions that sync to my local NAS (no traditional "cloud storage") and have clients for Windows, Linux, Mac, and Android.

EDIT: Oh and the price should be FREE!

Dotcom Jillionaire fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Aug 17, 2014

dox
Mar 4, 2006


Dotcom Jillionaire posted:

I'm looking only at solutions that sync to my local NAS (no traditional "cloud storage") and have clients for Windows, Linux, Mac, and Android.

Owncloud. There's even an App in the Synology Package Manager.

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

What's this OpenZFS stuff? I came across it, spending oh so much more time researching for another instance of my ZFS virtual file server (this time what OS has the highest throughput on the virtual NIC), and it seems like the FreeBSD, Illumos and ZFS-on-Linux folks are working together. Is this a serious initiative or just a fan page.

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007

Sweet 'N Sour
Can't
Melt
Steel Beams


I don't think they were ever completely separate projects, so this looks like an attempt to formalize their link rather than bring together already disparate projects.

evol262
Nov 30, 2010
#!/usr/bin/perl

Combat Pretzel posted:

What's this OpenZFS stuff? I came across it, spending oh so much more time researching for another instance of my ZFS virtual file server (this time what OS has the highest throughput on the virtual NIC), and it seems like the FreeBSD, Illumos and ZFS-on-Linux folks are working together. Is this a serious initiative or just a fan page.

It's basically a way for the community to say "now that Sun/Oracle are out of the picture, how do we make sure we don't fragment? Let's make sure we don't butt heads and lay out basic feature flags and a versioning scheme we can all live with, so IllumOS and FreeBSD can look at a version xyz pool with foo and bar flags and both think that means the same thing".

It's serious, but it's not new, and it's not exciting except as project guidance.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.


Much as I am impressed with my new Symbology box, I am amazed at how slow it is with photos.

To do anything useful with them, you need to generate thumbnails and this is slooooow. Even using the photo uploader on my PC to generate them , I estimate that it will take a full day to process 2,000 photos ready for use.

That's insanely poor performance.

EDIT: Went to bed, woke up, came back, still less than 800 completed of a 1,700 upload that I started at 7pm. It's sped up a bit now, but I am not looking forward to uploading the remaining 48,000 in my photo library!

spog fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Aug 19, 2014

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

I love the succulent taste of cop boots

spog posted:

Much as I am impressed with my new Symbology box, I am amazed at how slow it is with photos.

To do anything useful with them, you need to generate thumbnails and this is slooooow. Even using the photo uploader on my PC to generate them , I estimate that it will take a full day to process 2,000 photos ready for use.

That's insanely poor performance.

EDIT: Went to bed, woke up, came back, still less than 800 completed of a 1,700 upload that I started at 7pm. It's sped up a bit now, but I am not looking forward to uploading the remaining 48,000 in my photo library!

Doesn't it have an atom or something in it? Are these photos from a smartphone or 20 meg files from a dslr?

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.


Bob Morales posted:

Doesn't it have an atom or something in it? Are these photos from a smartphone or 20 meg files from a dslr?

There's two options for generating the essential thumbnails: you can either copy the image files to the NAS and it will use its phone-sized CPU to generate them at the speed of tar dripping, or you can use the Photo Uploader on the PC to upload them and it will create the thumnails on the PC, using the PC CPU to do the heavy lifting.

I'm doing the second option, but it still horribly slow.

They are 1.1MB 1365x2048 jpegs that are already reduced size from the orginal DSLR photos.

I originally converted them from 2592x3888 jpegs using Lightroom, but this thumbnail generation is a magnitude slower that LR.

It's taken about 5 hours to upload 1,500 photos.

Yup, that is about 20 times slower than doing it in Lightroom.

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



^^^^ I'm slow like a NAS processing photos.

Bob Morales posted:

Doesn't it have an atom or something in it? Are these photos from a smartphone or 20 meg files from a dslr?
Mine has an arm processor. Generating thumbnails for 20000 5mpx photo's would have taken the best part of half a year with the thing steaming along at 100% cpu use 24/7. It's not that weird though, compared to the fact that the photo uploader utility that pre-generates the thumbnails on your PC still took a full week or something. Now that shit is inexcusable. Even on the Athlon64 3700+ I used for it, it should have been a matter of a couple of hours at most.

I have no idea what specifically is going on there, but the photo stuff sucks balls on the basic models.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

I love the succulent taste of cop boots

Flipperwaldt posted:

pre-generates the thumbnails on your PC still took a full week or something. Now that shit is inexcusable. Even on the Athlon64 3700+s.

Probably slower than a current ARM

Flipperwaldt
Nov 11, 2011

Won't somebody think of the starving hamsters in China?



Bob Morales posted:

Probably slower than a current ARM
I wouldn't know. Windows on one and DSM on the other certainly doesn't give that impression. And I know from experience that resizing a picture on it in other programs generally isn't a multi second affair.

evol262
Nov 30, 2010
#!/usr/bin/perl

Bob Morales posted:

Probably slower than a current ARM

Slower an aarch64, octo, and maybe a15, but likely light-years faster than the average NAS

eightysixed
Sep 23, 2004

I always tell the truth. Even when I lie.


Moey posted:

Heads up Synology folks. A cryptolocker variant is going after your shit.

http://forum.synology.com/enu/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=88716

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8128521

Late to the party here, but is this affecting Xpenology as well? Ive not looked in awhile, but I think I remember DSM 5 being a little on the unstable side for Xpenology. Thoughts?

In any event, im going to go ahead and update the office NAS.

edit: And if DSM 5 works fine on Xpenology, how does one go about upgrading? Im assuming you cant use the Built-In DSM Updater thing, as it would try to grab from Synology, right?

eightysixed fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Aug 20, 2014

Nulldevice
Jun 17, 2006


Toilet Rascal

Had something strange pop up on my home server that I haven't seen before. Was noticing that webmin was showing two of my raid disks with errors. At first I thought it was hddtemp being strange, but I decided to check smartctl and see what it was seeing, and sure enough on two disks there are errors. There are no errors in the counters, rather ABRT errors in the log. What's also strange is that its two disks sequentially, one very new, one nearly a year old. Here's the SMART output from both disks:
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[root@homenas ~]# smartctl -a /dev/sda
smartctl 5.43 2012-06-30 r3573 [x86_64-linux-2.6.32-431.23.3.el6.x86_64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-12 by Bruce Allen, [url]http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net[/url]

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     WDC WD30EFRX-68EUZN0
Serial Number:    WD-WCC4N0886241
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 2b4a5e7b8
Firmware Version: 80.00A80
User Capacity:    3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   8
ATA Standard is:  ACS-2 (revision not indicated)
Local Time is:    Thu Aug 28 14:19:20 2014 EDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82) Offline data collection activity
                                        was completed without error.
                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
                                        without error or no self-test has ever
                                        been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:                (40680) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                        command.
                                        Offline surface scan supported.
                                        Self-test supported.
                                        Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                        Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                        power-saving mode.
                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                        General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        ( 408) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   5) minutes.
SCT capabilities:              (0x703d) SCT Status supported.
                                        SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                                        SCT Feature Control supported.
                                        SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x002f   200   200   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   183   181   021    Pre-fail  Always       -       5833
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       33
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x002e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   098   098   000    Old_age   Always       -       1976
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       33
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       23
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       696
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   119   114   000    Old_age   Always       -       31
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
ATA Error Count: 2
        CR = Command Register [HEX]
        FR = Features Register [HEX]
        SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
        SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
        CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
        CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
        DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
        DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
        ER = Error register [HEX]
        ST = Status register [HEX]
Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.

Error 2 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 399 hours (16 days + 15 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  04 51 01 00 00 00 00  Error: ABRT

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  b0 d5 01 e1 4f c2 00 08      00:16:25.397  SMART READ LOG

Error 1 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 399 hours (16 days + 15 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  04 51 01 00 00 00 00  Error: ABRT

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  b0 d5 01 e1 4f c2 00 08      00:16:24.990  SMART READ LOG
  b0 d5 01 e1 4f c2 00 08      00:16:24.990  SMART READ LOG

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]


SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.

[root@homenas ~]# smartctl -a /dev/sdb
smartctl 5.43 2012-06-30 r3573 [x86_64-linux-2.6.32-431.23.3.el6.x86_64] (local build)
Copyright (C) 2002-12 by Bruce Allen, [url]http://smartmontools.sourceforge.net[/url]

=== START OF INFORMATION SECTION ===
Device Model:     WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0
Serial Number:    WD-WCC1T0777250
LU WWN Device Id: 5 0014ee 2b303d22d
Firmware Version: 80.00A80
User Capacity:    3,000,592,982,016 bytes [3.00 TB]
Sector Sizes:     512 bytes logical, 4096 bytes physical
Device is:        Not in smartctl database [for details use: -P showall]
ATA Version is:   8
ATA Standard is:  ACS-2 (revision not indicated)
Local Time is:    Thu Aug 28 14:22:52 2014 EDT
SMART support is: Available - device has SMART capability.
SMART support is: Enabled

=== START OF READ SMART DATA SECTION ===
SMART overall-health self-assessment test result: PASSED

General SMART Values:
Offline data collection status:  (0x82) Offline data collection activity
                                        was completed without error.
                                        Auto Offline Data Collection: Enabled.
Self-test execution status:      (   0) The previous self-test routine completed
                                        without error or no self-test has ever
                                        been run.
Total time to complete Offline
data collection:                (38460) seconds.
Offline data collection
capabilities:                    (0x7b) SMART execute Offline immediate.
                                        Auto Offline data collection on/off support.
                                        Suspend Offline collection upon new
                                        command.
                                        Offline surface scan supported.
                                        Self-test supported.
                                        Conveyance Self-test supported.
                                        Selective Self-test supported.
SMART capabilities:            (0x0003) Saves SMART data before entering
                                        power-saving mode.
                                        Supports SMART auto save timer.
Error logging capability:        (0x01) Error logging supported.
                                        General Purpose Logging supported.
Short self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   2) minutes.
Extended self-test routine
recommended polling time:        ( 386) minutes.
Conveyance self-test routine
recommended polling time:        (   5) minutes.
SCT capabilities:              (0x70bd) SCT Status supported.
                                        SCT Error Recovery Control supported.
                                        SCT Feature Control supported.
                                        SCT Data Table supported.

SMART Attributes Data Structure revision number: 16
Vendor Specific SMART Attributes with Thresholds:
ID# ATTRIBUTE_NAME          FLAG     VALUE WORST THRESH TYPE      UPDATED  WHEN_FAILED RAW_VALUE
  1 Raw_Read_Error_Rate     0x002f   200   200   051    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  3 Spin_Up_Time            0x0027   179   177   021    Pre-fail  Always       -       6033
  4 Start_Stop_Count        0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       54
  5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct   0x0033   200   200   140    Pre-fail  Always       -       0
  7 Seek_Error_Rate         0x002e   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   088   088   000    Old_age   Always       -       9472
 10 Spin_Retry_Count        0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 11 Calibration_Retry_Count 0x0032   100   253   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
 12 Power_Cycle_Count       0x0032   100   100   000    Old_age   Always       -       54
192 Power-Off_Retract_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       35
193 Load_Cycle_Count        0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       18
194 Temperature_Celsius     0x0022   117   107   000    Old_age   Always       -       33
196 Reallocated_Event_Count 0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
197 Current_Pending_Sector  0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
198 Offline_Uncorrectable   0x0030   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0
199 UDMA_CRC_Error_Count    0x0032   200   200   000    Old_age   Always       -       0
200 Multi_Zone_Error_Rate   0x0008   200   200   000    Old_age   Offline      -       0

SMART Error Log Version: 1
ATA Error Count: 2
        CR = Command Register [HEX]
        FR = Features Register [HEX]
        SC = Sector Count Register [HEX]
        SN = Sector Number Register [HEX]
        CL = Cylinder Low Register [HEX]
        CH = Cylinder High Register [HEX]
        DH = Device/Head Register [HEX]
        DC = Device Command Register [HEX]
        ER = Error register [HEX]
        ST = Status register [HEX]
Powered_Up_Time is measured from power on, and printed as
DDd+hh:mm:SS.sss where DD=days, hh=hours, mm=minutes,
SS=sec, and sss=millisec. It "wraps" after 49.710 days.

Error 2 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 7896 hours (329 days + 0 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  04 51 01 00 00 00 00  Error: ABRT

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  b0 d5 01 e1 4f c2 00 08      00:18:00.813  SMART READ LOG
  b0 d5 01 e1 4f c2 00 08      00:18:00.802  SMART READ LOG

Error 1 occurred at disk power-on lifetime: 7896 hours (329 days + 0 hours)
  When the command that caused the error occurred, the device was active or idle.

  After command completion occurred, registers were:
  ER ST SC SN CL CH DH
  -- -- -- -- -- -- --
  04 51 01 00 00 00 00  Error: ABRT

  Commands leading to the command that caused the error were:
  CR FR SC SN CL CH DH DC   Powered_Up_Time  Command/Feature_Name
  -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --  ----------------  --------------------
  b0 d5 01 e1 4f c2 00 08      00:18:00.802  SMART READ LOG
  b0 d5 01 e1 4f c2 00 08      00:18:00.791  SMART READ LOG

SMART Self-test log structure revision number 1
No self-tests have been logged.  [To run self-tests, use: smartctl -t]


SMART Selective self-test log data structure revision number 1
 SPAN  MIN_LBA  MAX_LBA  CURRENT_TEST_STATUS
    1        0        0  Not_testing
    2        0        0  Not_testing
    3        0        0  Not_testing
    4        0        0  Not_testing
    5        0        0  Not_testing
Selective self-test flags (0x0):
  After scanning selected spans, do NOT read-scan remainder of disk.
If Selective self-test is pending on power-up, resume after 0 minute delay.
My first concern is whether or not these disks are a ticking time bomb, or is this a false positive. There aren't any pending sectors or reallocation occurring on the disks. I'm going to take a look at the logs on the server and see if there's anything that might coincide with these errors.

slightpirate
Dec 26, 2006
i am the dance commander

One of the guys I work with has access to some employee pricing for Drobo devices, and for $250+disks, its sounding pretty good. I'm a little leary of their "BeyondRaid" software raid solution though. Also there have been reports that if the devices itself fails, your data is hosed.

My question is, is saving $250 bucks worth having your data in a proprietary NAS system vs a traditional NAS setup?

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


slightpirate posted:

One of the guys I work with has access to some employee pricing for Drobo devices, and for $250+disks, its sounding pretty good. I'm a little leary of their "BeyondRaid" software raid solution though. Also there have been reports that if the devices itself fails, your data is hosed.

My question is, is saving $250 bucks worth having your data in a proprietary NAS system vs a traditional NAS setup?

Since you will be keeping backups it shouldn't matter.

Also drobo claims they should pop into another drobo and work.

http://support.drobo.com/app/answer...n-a-replacement

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull


Nulldevice posted:

My first concern is whether or not these disks are a ticking time bomb, or is this a false positive. There aren't any pending sectors or reallocation occurring on the disks. I'm going to take a look at the logs on the server and see if there's anything that might coincide with these errors.

I don't think there's even a false positive here. Look at the log of commands which led to the error -- they're SMART READ LOG operations, not ordinary sector reads or writes. The error itself is ABRT, i.e. command aborted, which just means the drive couldn't complete whatever was asked. And if I'm interpreting the relevant ATA standard correctly (based on 5 minutes of so take with a grain of salt), the "SC" status code of 01h means "Invalid Function Code".

In other words, while attempting to read a log, smartmontools asked the drive to do something the drive doesn't know how to do, and it logged an error. Don't worry about it.

Nulldevice
Jun 17, 2006


Toilet Rascal

Wonder why all the drives didn't log that error. Guess smartmon gave up after two drives. Go figure. I've gone ahead and replaced the cables to those drives just to be safe based upon the research I did on the error on my own. I'm not that up to date on the standards that SMART uses, so I didn't think it could be a bogus command. Thanks for the info!

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.


Don Lapre posted:

Since you will be keeping backups it shouldn't matter.

Also drobo claims they should pop into another drobo and work.

http://support.drobo.com/app/answer...n-a-replacement

Well sure, but it can be tedious to grab something from backup and sods law always says that things go wrong when you've just created a load of important stuff and you've been a bit lazy with making that backup.

Certainly, when Drobo came out, I was very tempted until I heard stories of people who encountered problems and it was basically 'well, you're screwed'. Plus some horrible tales of very, very slow rebuild times - though that very well may have changed.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


spog posted:

Well sure, but it can be tedious to grab something from backup and sods law always says that things go wrong when you've just created a load of important stuff and you've been a bit lazy with making that backup.

Certainly, when Drobo came out, I was very tempted until I heard stories of people who encountered problems and it was basically 'well, you're screwed'. Plus some horrible tales of very, very slow rebuild times - though that very well may have changed.

Most devices i think doing some kind of raid 5 type shit with slow arm cpu's are going to have really slow rebuild times.

infinite99
Aug 9, 2006

ANY OF YALLS DICKS HARD??

So I have my server all set up with a FreeNAS VM and some other VMs doing different things. Everything seems to be working just fine however accessing my shared volumes from FreeNAS from Windows seems to take more than a few seconds to connect and show the files in Explorer. Once it shows the directory the first time, everything seems normal.

Have I set something up weird or forgotten something in FreeNAS? Is this a DNS issue at all? Or is this caused by the drives having to spin up and something that can't be avoided?

I'm sharing everything using CIFS.

Dotcom Jillionaire
Jul 19, 2006

Social distortion


Owncloud blows! I'm having issues syncing my Mac with a large amount of very small files back and forth plus it creates a ton of annoying working directories in every folder. I might go back to a reduced-efficiency CloudStation setup.

BobHoward
Feb 13, 2012

The only thing white people deserve is a bullet to their empty skull


Nulldevice posted:

Wonder why all the drives didn't log that error. Guess smartmon gave up after two drives. Go figure.

By any chance are all the rest of your drives something other than WD30EFRX firmware version 80.00A80? My guess is that it's an issue specific to that drive model and/or firmware rev. Note that smartctl reported "Not in smartctl database" for both of them. The database is a list of known quirks, capabilities, parameter interpretation methods, and so forth. It's not unheard of for the generic fallback support to have a few minor issues (which is why the database exists).

The problem with SMART is that it's a much bigger and messier interface than the main ATA command set which actually moves user data around. It's harder to implement 100% correctly, and for that matter lots of it is left as manufacturer defined so there is no such thing as 100% correct. Since you don't need 100% debugged SMART for a drive to work well and be useful, this is a recipe for minor SMART related bugs to make it into shipping products surprisingly often.

BobHoward fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Aug 29, 2014

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.


Trip report for my Synology.

I like it. The interface is both simple and powerful. Looks sleek too.

Apps for the phone are pretty cool too.

Photo uploading is still awful. Takes 24hrs to process 2,000 images (Lightroom would take less than 20mins). Maxes out all 4 cores of my processer, severly limiting using it for anything else.

Thanks for the recommendation.

Nulldevice
Jun 17, 2006


Toilet Rascal

BobHoward posted:

By any chance are all the rest of your drives something other than WD30EFRX firmware version 80.00A80? My guess is that it's an issue specific to that drive model and/or firmware rev. Note that smartctl reported "Not in smartctl database" for both of them. The database is a list of known quirks, capabilities, parameter interpretation methods, and so forth. It's not unheard of for the generic fallback support to have a few minor issues (which is why the database exists).

The problem with SMART is that it's a much bigger and messier interface than the main ATA command set which actually moves user data around. It's harder to implement 100% correctly, and for that matter lots of it is left as manufacturer defined so there is no such thing as 100% correct. Since you don't need 100% debugged SMART for a drive to work well and be useful, this is a recipe for minor SMART related bugs to make it into shipping products surprisingly often.

code:
[root@homenas ~]# smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep Firmware
Firmware Version: 80.00A80
[root@homenas ~]# smartctl -a /dev/sdb | grep Firmware
Firmware Version: 80.00A80
[root@homenas ~]# smartctl -a /dev/sdc | grep Firmware
Firmware Version: 80.00A80
[root@homenas ~]# smartctl -a /dev/sdf | grep Firmware
Firmware Version: 80.00A80
[root@homenas ~]# smartctl -a /dev/sdd | grep Firmware
Firmware Version: 80.00A80
[root@homenas ~]# smartctl -a /dev/sde | grep Firmware
Firmware Version: 80.00A80
All the same firmware revision.

code:
[root@homenas ~]# smartctl -a /dev/sda | grep 'Device Model'
Device Model:     WDC WD30EFRX-68EUZN0
[root@homenas ~]# smartctl -a /dev/sdb | grep 'Device Model'
Device Model:     WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0
[root@homenas ~]# smartctl -a /dev/sdc | grep 'Device Model'
Device Model:     WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0
[root@homenas ~]# smartctl -a /dev/sdd | grep 'Device Model'
Device Model:     WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0
[root@homenas ~]# smartctl -a /dev/sde | grep 'Device Model'
Device Model:     WDC WD30EFRX-68AX9N0
[root@homenas ~]# smartctl -a /dev/sdf | grep 'Device Model'
Device Model:     WDC WD30EFRX-68EUZN0
Two different device models had the error. So it doesn't seem specific to a firmware revision or specific model really. Just completely random.

SurgicalOntologist
Jun 17, 2004



I've been tasked with setting up a fileserver for my division (~20 users). They want some sort of host-your-own-dropbox thing rather than SFTP, leaning toward SeaFile. Is this something a NAS could run or do I want to get a real server machine?

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


SurgicalOntologist posted:

I've been tasked with setting up a fileserver for my division (~20 users). They want some sort of host-your-own-dropbox thing rather than SFTP, leaning toward SeaFile. Is this something a NAS could run or do I want to get a real server machine?

A NAS is a real server machine.

SurgicalOntologist
Jun 17, 2004



Don Lapre posted:

A NAS is a real server machine.

Right. I guess I was just asking if they are powerful enough to host these services. But it looks like that's been answered itt, even on this very page, so I apologize for not doing my own research. Carry on.

Chuu
Sep 11, 2004



Grimey Drawer

Is there a reason that NAS prices seem to be linear from 1-4 bays, but the second you add the 5th there's a large price jump?

Also, do any consumer NASes do read patrolling?

phosdex
Dec 16, 2005



Tortured By Flan

I would guess the price jump comes from board manufacturers and is sata port count/controller related.

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.


Chuu posted:

Is there a reason that NAS prices seem to be linear from 1-4 bays, but the second you add the 5th there's a large price jump?

Also, do any consumer NASes do read patrolling?

Its not that they have more bays, 5bay+ nas units usually have better hardware. intel cpu's, more ram, more network jacks, etc..

NFX
Jun 2, 2008



Fun Shoe

It seems like the HP ProLiant N54L (previous generation) is pretty cheap, and I've been thinking about getting a NAS for a while.

So here's what I'm thinking about buying:
A HP ProLiant N54L. 2.2 GHz Amd Turion II processor, no disks, 2-4 GB memory.
8 GB ECC RAM in order to make ZFS happy.

I don't have any specific needs, but I'd like to not lose everything if a disk dies, and I think I want at least 4 TB of usable storage. It seems like 3 x 3 TB disks is at a pretty good price point, and then they can be configured for RAID-Z. Would I be more happy with two 4 TB disks in raid 1?

Is there anything I should be aware of with this setup? Will the CPU be hilariously underpowered?

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