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IOwnCalculus
Apr 2, 2003





Thermopyle posted:

Wish I'd made it smaller.

Said nobody ever

How many drives / what layout? Mine takes 12-14 hours depending on whether anyone is using it at the time, for nine drives (6x 1.5TB Samsung, 3x 2TB WD Red) in three raidz vdevs.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

ああ!彼からのメールだ!

College Slice

Should I change any of the power management stuff? Or should I just leave the disks spinning 24/7?

Combat Pretzel
Jun 23, 2004

No, seriously... what kurds?!

DNova posted:

Because shipping is a huge variable.
I'm surprised that WD drives would be really impressed by shipping, given their off-platter parked heads.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell



IOwnCalculus posted:

Said nobody ever

How many drives / what layout? Mine takes 12-14 hours depending on whether anyone is using it at the time, for nine drives (6x 1.5TB Samsung, 3x 2TB WD Red) in three raidz vdevs.

pre:
scan: scrub repaired 0 in 53h51m with 0 errors on Sun Nov  3 08:00:09 2013
config:

        NAME                                          STATE     READ WRITE CKSUM
        tank1                                         ONLINE       0     0     0
          raidz2-0                                    ONLINE       0     0     0
            ata-WDC_WD30EFRX-68AX9N0_WD-WMC1          ONLINE       0     0     0
            ata-WDC_WD30EZRX-00DC0B0_WD-WMC1          ONLINE       0     0     0
            ata-WDC_WD30EURX-14SPKY0_WD-WMC1          ONLINE       0     0     0
            ata-WDC_WD30EZRX-00DC0B0_WD-WMC1          ONLINE       0     0     0
            ata-WDC_WD30EZRX-00DC0B0_WD-WMC1          ONLINE       0     0     0
            ata-WDC_WD30EURX-14SPKY0_WD-WMC1          ONLINE       0     0     0
            ata-WDC_WD30EZRX-00DC0B0_WD-WMC1          ONLINE       0     0     0
            ata-WDC_WD30EZRX-00DC0B0_WD-WMC1          ONLINE       0     0     0
            ata-WDC_WD30EZRX-00DC0B0_WD-WMC1          ONLINE       0     0     0
            ata-WDC_WD30EZRX-00DC0B0_WD-WMC1          ONLINE       0     0     0

Somebody fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Nov 17, 2013

Bedurndurn
Dec 4, 2008


Though I'm not the guy you guys recommended it to, I bought a Synology Diskstation 212j and 2 of those 3TB drives. This thing has a ton of servers that can run on it, so I was wondering what's the smartest way of setting this thing up so I can access files on it remotely across the internet? I'd like to be able to get/put stuff on it from any of an iPad, a Nexus 4, a couple windows machines and a macbook air.

kiwid
Sep 30, 2013



Bedurndurn posted:

Though I'm not the guy you guys recommended it to, I bought a Synology Diskstation 212j and 2 of those 3TB drives. This thing has a ton of servers that can run on it, so I was wondering what's the smartest way of setting this thing up so I can access files on it remotely across the internet? I'd like to be able to get/put stuff on it from any of an iPad, a Nexus 4, a couple windows machines and a macbook air.

Setup a VPN server or buy a VPN capable router (Routerboard). I wouldn't risk access to my files any other way.

kiwid fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Nov 18, 2013

grizzlepants
Jan 14, 2008



kiwid posted:

Setup a VPN server or buy a VPN capable router (Routerboard). I wouldn't risk access to my files any other way.

Most of the open-source router firmwares (Tomato, DD-WRT, etc) have PPTP or SSL VPNs too.

snoozeallday
Sep 9, 2010

tell him all your problems . . . he's fucking awesome with listening

I have an older server I want to use at home. I've been really impressed with a coworkers synology. Easy to set up and I like this like music player streaming interface over the Web. The other thing that really intrigued me is whs. Is it stupid to use this now? Please note, I have a server 08 or 10(?) from my university.

I'd like to run a plex and airvideo server, host shared drive for people in my house, and maybe try to move all my downloading to it.

eames
May 9, 2009



Bedurndurn posted:

Though I'm not the guy you guys recommended it to, I bought a Synology Diskstation 212j and 2 of those 3TB drives. This thing has a ton of servers that can run on it, so I was wondering what's the smartest way of setting this thing up so I can access files on it remotely across the internet? I'd like to be able to get/put stuff on it from any of an iPad, a Nexus 4, a couple windows machines and a macbook air.

An alternative to a VPN could be BitTorrent Sync, if you don't store any extremely sensitive files on it. It's free and very simple to set up, they even have excellent (free) mobile apps and a precompiled arm Linux binary for NAS appliances.

The downside is that the whole thing is closed source and they don't seem to have a working business model from what I can tell, so I only use it for media files. It does work surprisingly well though, like a completely P2P Dropbox but faster.

Civil
Apr 21, 2003

Do you see this? This means "Have a nice day".

Bedurndurn posted:

Though I'm not the guy you guys recommended it to, I bought a Synology Diskstation 212j and 2 of those 3TB drives. This thing has a ton of servers that can run on it, so I was wondering what's the smartest way of setting this thing up so I can access files on it remotely across the internet? I'd like to be able to get/put stuff on it from any of an iPad, a Nexus 4, a couple windows machines and a macbook air.

Not sure if you were looking for a simple solution or complicated solution.

The easiest way to access your media from either mobile platform is to install the DS Video and DS Music apps if you were looking to stream media across the internet to your android or iOS device. You'll just need to set up the proper port forwarding.

For remote file management, you can enable the WebDAV server and port forward. Set up a dyndns system to the myds.me domain makes things easy to remember. Windows machines need to set up a WebDAV client, on os x, it's built in to the server browser.

For putting files from ios and android, the DS file app should work fine. I've only done file management from my android devices, and not from my iOS devices. But give that stuff a shot. Port forwarding is pretty simple, and works with your existing hardware. It's probably not as secure as the VPN solutions offered by others, but eh. YOLO I guess.

Gozinbulx
Feb 19, 2004


Any thoughts on Amazon Glacier? It seems a bit complicated for my tastes but also sounds imminently affordable. I know Crashplan is the go-to service here but I was just curious if anyone had used it.

I want to backup EVERYTHING. My entire media library, which currently stands at about 3TB but expands everyday.

Also, any information about Crashplan/Glaciers privacy stuff? I know they say its all secure but is it really? Do they snoop for commonly downloaded stuff?

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.


deimos posted:

What's a decent way to stress test hard drives, I want to drop my 4 new Reds in an array but want to give them a shakedown run before I do.


Build a new array with nothing but the Reds in it then do the following:

I start with setting up IOMeter jobs that involve a mix of read and write requests in sequential and random fashion from several different worker processes on different client machines.


Then I like to throw a bunch of random work at any new build I do. Set up a few torrents to popular things (Linux distros, VMware appliances, etc) from different boxes that save the data to your NAS. Set up scripts that create random amounts of randomly sized files to the disk and then deletes random amounts of them. If you can, mount the drives locally and then do defrags on them while doing the above operations.

The second test isn't really scientific, but it's basically about throwing a bunch of shitI/O at the drives in some kind of random fashion to make sure nothing falls over.

MMD3
May 16, 2006

Montmartre -> Portland

If I were to want to trade in my eSATA attached Drobo which is currently storing ~3TB of photos, videos, & music for a NAS... AND, I'm not very tech savvy and don't want to be futzing with RAID configs all day long. Are there any viable solutions out there?

My primary needs are for fast transfer speeds for editing raw photos in my lightroom catalog stored on my drive and streaming 720p & 1080p MKV files to a media pc (currently using a boxee box, looking for a replacement).

The thing I like about the drobo is how painfully simplistic it is to setup, configure, and administer. I love being able to drop a new disk in w/out caring about what size it is (assuming it's larger) and just have the drobo figure it out from there.

Are there any really simple NAS housings out there that run RAID 1 (or whatever the best alternative is) that come with easy easy software?

If not I'll probably try to stick to the Drobo for the time being.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006



Gozinbulx posted:

Any thoughts on Amazon Glacier? It seems a bit complicated for my tastes but also sounds imminently affordable. I know Crashplan is the go-to service here but I was just curious if anyone had used it.

I want to backup EVERYTHING. My entire media library, which currently stands at about 3TB but expands everyday.

Also, any information about Crashplan/Glaciers privacy stuff? I know they say its all secure but is it really? Do they snoop for commonly downloaded stuff?

Crashplan lets you manage your own encryption keys if you want to. If you do that, they are unable to see anything.

S3/Glacier is just a data store. You need a front end to process and upload/download your files. Pick one with encryption if that's what you want.

Civil
Apr 21, 2003

Do you see this? This means "Have a nice day".

MMD3 posted:

If I were to want to trade in my eSATA attached Drobo which is currently storing ~3TB of photos, videos, & music for a NAS... AND, I'm not very tech savvy and don't want to be futzing with RAID configs all day long. Are there any viable solutions out there?

My primary needs are for fast transfer speeds for editing raw photos in my lightroom catalog stored on my drive and streaming 720p & 1080p MKV files to a media pc (currently using a boxee box, looking for a replacement).

The thing I like about the drobo is how painfully simplistic it is to setup, configure, and administer. I love being able to drop a new disk in w/out caring about what size it is (assuming it's larger) and just have the drobo figure it out from there.

Are there any really simple NAS housings out there that run RAID 1 (or whatever the best alternative is) that come with easy easy software?

If not I'll probably try to stick to the Drobo for the time being.

Synology again. Get one of the faster models, like the DS412+. Mine bumps against the gigabit limit on transfers, if you want to get wacky, you can plug in multiple gig lines for link aggregation.

It's painfully easy, per your request. 2 discs will mirror, additional will do a raid-5 hybrid (you will survive a single disk failure). It uses disk space identically to the drobo.

Bob Morales
Aug 18, 2006

I love the succulent taste of cop boots

I have 3 DS1511+ and 1 DS1512+ for backups at the office.

No complaints I guess.

MMD3
May 16, 2006

Montmartre -> Portland

so if I wanted to add a 5th disk would I be looking at the 1513+ ? What are the primary differences between the 412+ and their other offerings in the 4-5 drive range?

Civil
Apr 21, 2003

Do you see this? This means "Have a nice day".

MMD3 posted:

so if I wanted to add a 5th disk would I be looking at the 1513+ ? What are the primary differences between the 412+ and their other offerings in the 4-5 drive range?

Yeah, same processing speed, but more gig ports for aggregation, and you can expand beyond 5 discs with expansion modules that let you add even more disks.

I have 4 x 3TB in my DS212+ (just above 8TB usable) and wonder if I'll ever come close to filling it.

MMD3
May 16, 2006

Montmartre -> Portland

Civil posted:

Yeah, same processing speed, but more gig ports for aggregation, and you can expand beyond 5 discs with expansion modules that let you add even more disks.

I have 4 x 3TB in my DS212+ (just above 8TB usable) and wonder if I'll ever come close to filling it.

ahhh, yeah, that would be more than enough for me in that case... so like the drobo RAID-5 Hybrid is leaving you with more than 50% usable space.

I'm at just over 3TB currently so if I could drop 2x2TB and 2x3TB drives in it I'd be all set for a good long while.

stray
Jun 28, 2005

"It's a jet pack, Michael. What could possibly go wrong?"


So I followed another poster's advice and got an Atheros WiFi card for my home server (since it's going to be too far from the router for an Ethernet cable). Specifically, I bought an Atheros AR5BXB112 AR9380 PCI-Express WiFi card.

However, when I installed it, FreeNAS didn't seem to see it at all. Could someone maybe give me a specific make/model of WiFi card that is known to work out of the box with FreeNAS, before I go out and buy another incompatible NIC?

Odette
Mar 19, 2011



stray posted:

So I followed another poster's advice and got an Atheros WiFi card for my home server (since it's going to be too far from the router for an Ethernet cable). Specifically, I bought an Atheros AR5BXB112 AR9380 PCI-Express WiFi card.

However, when I installed it, FreeNAS didn't seem to see it at all. Could someone maybe give me a specific make/model of WiFi card that is known to work out of the box with FreeNAS, before I go out and buy another incompatible NIC?

When I posted on the FreeNAS forums about a similar thing, they told me not to bother with wifi cards.

thebigcow
Jan 3, 2001

Bully!

You could check the hardware list for whatever version of BSD its based on, but if the interface wasn't designed for wifi it could break all kinds of silly things. Maybe set up a wireless bridge and move the problem to hardware dedicated to it?

Ninja Rope
Oct 22, 2005

Wee.


stray posted:

So I followed another poster's advice and got an Atheros WiFi card for my home server (since it's going to be too far from the router for an Ethernet cable). Specifically, I bought an Atheros AR5BXB112 AR9380 PCI-Express WiFi card.

However, when I installed it, FreeNAS didn't seem to see it at all. Could someone maybe give me a specific make/model of WiFi card that is known to work out of the box with FreeNAS, before I go out and buy another incompatible NIC?

I don't know anything about FreeNAS but can you get to a terminal and run kldstat and look for the "ath" driver? If you don't see one, try "kldload ath". You'll need to be root or use sudo to do the ladder.

Edit: The FreeBSD wiki suggests there's code to support the card but it's not yet in FreeNAS (or even FreeBSD-HEAD).

Ninja Rope fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Nov 19, 2013

stray
Jun 28, 2005

"It's a jet pack, Michael. What could possibly go wrong?"


Odette posted:

When I posted on the FreeNAS forums about a similar thing, they told me not to bother with wifi cards.

Holy jumping Jesus, you're right... no wireless support. WTF?

So… I guess this means I'll need to compile the kernel myself with driver support?

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007

Sweet 'N Sour
Can't
Melt
Steel Beams


To be fair, if you have a NAS you should get it wired.

Odette
Mar 19, 2011



stray posted:

Holy jumping Jesus, you're right... no wireless support. WTF?

So… I guess this means I'll need to compile the kernel myself with driver support?

Yeah. When I complained about it, their reasoning was this:

FISHMANPET posted:

To be fair, if you have a NAS you should get it wired.

UndyingShadow
May 15, 2006
You're looking ESPECIALLY shadowy this evening, Sir

stray posted:

Holy jumping Jesus, you're right... no wireless support. WTF?

So… I guess this means I'll need to compile the kernel myself with driver support?

Get a wireless bridge and make the problem go away. Why fuck around with all that?

yomisei
Mar 18, 2011


If you don't mind the 100MBit-ish speed on n-type WLAN, I've found TP-Link stuff like the 3020 (maybe too many features) or its switch/wlan only brothers (more antennas more speed) useful in connecting LANs. The default firmware is quite flexible in regards to the possibilites you can use the WLAN, and it's dirt cheap too.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell



UndyingShadow posted:

Get a wireless bridge and make the problem go away. Why fuck around with all that?

Yes, this seems like an easy problem to solve.

eames
May 9, 2009



I recently retired a six WD 2TB drives and would like to use those as a cold backup for my data.

I don’t want to spend a whole lot of money on this, so I’m wondering what my options are. Right now I’m leaning towards a N54L (which is ~170€ here) with FreeNAS or something similar. Is there anything out there that can match the N54L in value?

Agrikk
Oct 17, 2003

Take care with that! We have not fully ascertained its function, and the ticking is accelerating.


quote is not edit.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006



eames posted:

I recently retired a six WD 2TB drives and would like to use those as a cold backup for my data.

I don’t want to spend a whole lot of money on this, so I’m wondering what my options are. Right now I’m leaning towards a N54L (which is ~170€ here) with FreeNAS or something similar. Is there anything out there that can match the N54L in value?

It's great hardware and I'm surprised you can get it for that price in Europe. What country are you in?

eames
May 9, 2009



DNova posted:

It's great hardware and I'm surprised you can get it for that price in Europe. What country are you in?

here it is on amazon:

http://www.amazon.de/ProLiant-Micro...1&keywords=n54l

apparently there was a cash back promotion back in september but I missed that. some people got their machines for less than 80 GBP

SynMoo
Dec 4, 2006



Can you guys recommend a 2 (or more) bay enclosure? I've already got a server running and just want to do DAS.

The plan is to use this as media hub and document/photo backup host for the house. Noise is of zero concern as it'll be going on a rack in the utility closet. Loud is fine, especially if it keeps the drives cool. I'll likely throw in some 3TB WD Reds in RAID1, though I'm not sure if I'd be better off having the drives present to the OS (Win7 Pro) as individual disks or have the enclosure handle the RAID.

A rack mounted enclosure would be nice, but desktop is fine also. USB 3.0 preferred but eSATA will work also since I'll have to add a card to the server either way.

Budget not including drives is around $200 or less.

Thanks!

entr0py
Jan 31, 2004


A real-life robot.

The TigerDirect deal on the 3TB reds is back: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicat...unDY7qVVxPhPwbA

You can also now use V.me for checkout and can save another $20 off at TigerDirect, making it possible to get two of these for $90/ea (but you'll have to use separate V.me accounts)

kiwid
Sep 30, 2013



I think I might be outgrowing my storage needs. I currently have two N40Ls running a 4 disk RAIDz1. The first one is my main unit, the second is for non-offsite backups of the main unit. Both units I have iscsi with multiple nics/paths setup for my home lab needs as well. I have multiple vmware guests on both units.

My problem is that both units will randomly become very slow or unresponsive and I'll have to shutdown my entire VM network and hosts and reboot FreeNAS. It's a pain. Anyone else have these issues?

I was thinking about going with a more powerful build this time but I don't really want a huge tower with internal disks. I was thinking about buying a cheap little Shuttle PC and using external drive bays for the storage arrays. I just don't know what to look for because everytime I look I find an all-in-one solution which I don't want. What type of HBA or RAID card with suitable bays should I be looking at? I've never done an external build like this before.

edit: Also cheap is good.

edit2: Maybe something like the M1015 but with external ports?

kiwid fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Nov 21, 2013

Bedurndurn
Dec 4, 2008


I expect this bit of information to get lost like tears in rain, but this is important to know if you're using a Synology.

For some stupid reason, the admin and guest accounts don't show up in the Application Priviledges screen. The end effect of this is that you can't enable them for use with webdav, scp, ftp, etc services. If you want to be able to remotely do any of those things, you'll have to make a new account on the device and either enable it during creation of the account or on the application priviledges screen (since created accounts do show up there).

Enjoy that piece of info that took me hours to stumble upon accidentally.

Psimitry
Jun 3, 2003

Hostile negotiations since 1978

Copied from the parts upgrade thread:

quote:

So I'm getting ready to upgrade my storage server (it's basically a NAS box that I made out of old components). Not much will be upgraded in it, except for the storage capability.

Current setup:

Amd e-350 integrated motherboard
4gb ddr3-1066 memory
Intel pci-e gigabit network controller
250gb operating drive
2x 750gb + 2x 2tb hdds mass storage array (spanned using Windows disk spanning)
Running Windows 7

This setup is only used as a central place to store multimedia files so that they can be accessed through my windows network. It's is a horrible setup as far as data loss vulnerability, and was only meant to be for a very short period. Well it's been about 2 years now.

Preposed setup:

AMD e-350 integrated board
4gb memory
Intel pci-e gigabit network controller
32 gb ssd operating drive (connected to on-board connector)
2x 2tb hdd using on-board connectors in raid 1 (for file storage before they're backed up to optical media)
Highpoint rocket raid 1100 4 port raid controller
4x 3tb drives (preferably wd red but not set on this) connected to Highpoint controller in raid 5
Windows 7 os

I'm sure I could do better by the OS by converting to a windows server os or some flavor of Linux. But as I don't really know Linux, don't have much use for it as far as properly streaming files, and don't think the windows server license cost would be worth it, I'm probably just going to stick with win 7.

That said, I have concerns about the CPU and whether or not it can handle this storage setup, particularly the raid 5 array and the raid 1.

Read performance is going to be more important than write performance, as write activities on this setup are actually kind of rare.

Thoughts?

Some research over the last few days has put me into a bit of a conundrum. I planned a $500-700 upgrade for my server, but I don't know if that is going to be sufficient. I figured that $500 for the drives (either 4x 3tb or 3x 4tb), a 32GB SSD, and a basic controller would be enough.

deimos in the other thread has pretty much informed me that for RAID5, that will not be sufficient.

Here's the thing though, I'm batting back and forth on the RAID level. Yes, I would like to have SOME fault tolerance, and I know that running on what is effectively a 4-drive RAID0 setup for two years is attempted suicide. But as I mentioned, all data is backed up before it goes on to that array. So when one of the drives fails, it will be MASSIVELY inconvenient to load it from optical backups, but it will be doable.

I'm willing to learn a new form of O/S, I will just need to reorganize how I do things. Most of my file sharing is done through my storage server that I remote into using Windows terminal services. That, and it's nice to be able to save all my credentials and whatnot so I can move quickly through my network (quite frankly, I love Windows' homegroup services).

Anyway... from what I've been reading, it appears that if I want to upgrade my storage capability, I've outgrown the way I've done things in the past and will need to learn some new approaches. So what am I looking at here?

UndyingShadow
May 15, 2006
You're looking ESPECIALLY shadowy this evening, Sir

Psimitry posted:

Copied from the parts upgrade thread:


Some research over the last few days has put me into a bit of a conundrum. I planned a $500-700 upgrade for my server, but I don't know if that is going to be sufficient. I figured that $500 for the drives (either 4x 3tb or 3x 4tb), a 32GB SSD, and a basic controller would be enough.

deimos in the other thread has pretty much informed me that for RAID5, that will not be sufficient.

Here's the thing though, I'm batting back and forth on the RAID level. Yes, I would like to have SOME fault tolerance, and I know that running on what is effectively a 4-drive RAID0 setup for two years is attempted suicide. But as I mentioned, all data is backed up before it goes on to that array. So when one of the drives fails, it will be MASSIVELY inconvenient to load it from optical backups, but it will be doable.

I'm willing to learn a new form of O/S, I will just need to reorganize how I do things. Most of my file sharing is done through my storage server that I remote into using Windows terminal services. That, and it's nice to be able to save all my credentials and whatnot so I can move quickly through my network (quite frankly, I love Windows' homegroup services).

Anyway... from what I've been reading, it appears that if I want to upgrade my storage capability, I've outgrown the way I've done things in the past and will need to learn some new approaches. So what am I looking at here?

Why exactly wouldn't raid-5 (or raidz) work?

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

ああ!彼からのメールだ!

College Slice

You sound like me! If you really want to stay die-hard Windows, go grab Windows Home Server; however, if you want a more robust system, check out FreeNAS or NAS4Free. I just stood up a NAS4Free box that I built to replace the WHS v1 HP Mediasmart that shit the bed over a year ago, and it's pretty awesome.

I'm not saying that this is a brilliant build or anything; however, it's what I used in my new NAS:

Intel G2020 - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B4G70RU...0_M3T1_ST1_dp_4
Supermicro X9SCM-IIF - http://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-DD...O/dp/B0090YPCTQ
8GB of DDR3 ECC - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002T3JN0Y...0_M3T1_ST1_dp_1 or http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...N82E16813182710
4x WD Reds in a RAID-Z2 pool - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B008JJLZ7G...0_M3T1_ST1_dp_3
Fanless Seasonic Platnium PSU - http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003ZWQXUQ...0_M3T1_ST1_dp_2

Just a quick note, the RAM was $25 bucks cheaper when I bought it, and the motherboard is cheaper on Newegg. Minus the case and a 4GB USB stick, you're looking at about $850 for a build your own.

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