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Condolences on your loss. The answer is that they're just regular hard drives which are very slightly slower than normal and rated to run 24/7. You can use them in any way you would use any other hard drive.
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Thank you. I might upgrade my PC HDD with one of those then, it's a pretty old WD caviar blue, and looking at the specs, one of those red ones might still be twice as fast while using half the power. I'll have to figure out how to migrate all my stuff over in the least painful way possible,. Also, can these be used in a RAID array? I know my father set one of those up for my mom's work PCs, and while i have them, i might as well replace those too if it's possible. That RAID must be a decade old by now, too.
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Also yes. A significant percentage of people in this thread are using WD Red drives for their RAID arrays (myself included).
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Discussion Quorum posted:I am going to piggyback off the poster above asking about DIY. I think the only thing that would hold you back on the Q-Nap is the 8GB memory limitation. I haven't owned a Q-Nap in a long time so I don't know about B2 integration but I'm guessing you looked into this. I would venture to say the Q-Nap may suit your needs but read further for my opinions. I would weigh the costs between the Q-Nap hardware (diskless) vs going DIY and seeing which you would get more horsepower out of. For DIY you could go with a 8th gen Celeron (2c/2) or Pentium (2c/4t) and 16GB DDR4 RAM to handle the dockers. Get a board with sufficient SATA ports or grab an HBA from ebay for less than $50 and install the OS of your choice on a drive connected to the motherboard. For the living room I'd find a case that has a low noise profile. Anyway I hope my rambling helps a little.
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Yeah it does, thanks. I think my Docker use will be light enough for the QNAP, but DIY looks like it could be significantly cheaper and more future-proof (at the cost of more computer touching - as it tends to be). I didn't actually check on whether or not QNAP can back up to B2, but it looks like it can do it the normal way with restic. I was thinking of something like this as an "equivalent" DIY system (although not sure about the PSU), and for not terribly much more I could upgrade the motherboard to something like this industrial board (I have an old Sandy Bridge laptop I could scavenge for an i7 and RAM), or something like this MSI server/workstation board. Seem reasonable? Storage-wise a RAID-1 of 8TB disks will probably cover me for a long while, but I'm going to plan on growing that into a 3-4 disk JBOD solution eventually. Is ECC really that important? The FreeNAS folks make it sound as essential as water and oxygen but it's really hard to find something in mini-ITX format with ECC support that isn't silly expensive (and low-power Xeons get pricey quick too). There are some Gigabyte Xeon-D motherboards on eBay for ~$300 (which is really stretching my current budget, gotta buy disks too ![]()
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I fall in the ECC doesn't matter for home use camp. But I also realize some people do more than Linux iso storage on their home setups.
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If you're doing this on a budget of "reusing hardware", I wouldn't sweat ECC. If you're buying new hardware anyway the difference really isn't that great between ECC and non-ECC platforms.
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Speaking of reusing hardware, I got my NAS up. I bought two of those WD My Book 8TB drives from Amazon and got them shucked without much trouble. Then I found the drives had the 3.3V pin problem, but there's an electronics parts store a block from my house so I walked over and got some kapton tape. $20 on Newegg for another 4GB of RAM brought me up to 8GB, and $20 for a new Cooler Master heatsink + $10 for a box of 4x 120mm case fans improved the airflow. Speeds are great over my wired network, but really point up the failures of my wireless network. I've got my desktop on wireless since running a cable would be such a bitch, but I'm currently pushing from the desktop to the NAS at 2MB/s where my laptop, plugged into a wired network in the shed, sees at least 10x that rate.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Speeds are great over my wired network, but really point up the failures of my wireless network. I've got my desktop on wireless since running a cable would be such a bitch, but I'm currently pushing from the desktop to the NAS at 2MB/s where my laptop, plugged into a wired network in the shed, sees at least 10x that rate. Is it a mac? I sit doing timemachine to your NAS? My router becomes painfully slow when timemachine is running on my wifes computer over wifi.
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H110Hawk posted:Is it a mac? I sit doing timemachine to your NAS? My router becomes painfully slow when timemachine is running on my wifes computer over wifi. Nope, Windows 10.
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H110Hawk posted:Is it a mac? I sit doing timemachine to your NAS? My router becomes painfully slow when timemachine is running on my wifes computer over wifi.
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KOTEX GOD OF BLOOD posted:Thats weird, I havent run into that problem. I did however need to check release resources immediately after disconnecting under AFP preferences in Synology DSM to get it working right. What the fuck Apple, just give up and use SMB already It's my router, not my synology. I need to replace it but ![]()
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IOwnCalculus posted:If you're doing this on a budget of "reusing hardware", I wouldn't sweat ECC. If you're buying new hardware anyway the difference really isn't that great between ECC and non-ECC platforms. Fair enough, I have some flex (it's not a pure penny-pinching build) but with a kid on the way I'm trying to keep my usual tendency towards budget creep in check. A $500 Supermicro ITX board is pretty much out of the question though. The only stuff that truly needs ironclad protection from corruption (family photos and some scanned records) could probably be handled more cost-effectively by just having multiple independent copies.
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ECC doesn't eliminate your need for backup, just ever-so-very-slightly reduces the likelihood that you'll need to restore from them. I will say that at least for Intel gear, if you want ECC, you're way better off buying used.
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Sure, I'll be backing everything up to Backblaze. I'm thinking more of a corrupted file getting pushed up to the remote backup and the good version "aging out," and so the really important stuff might also go on a couple flash drives in our safe deposit box. Maybe I'm overcomplicating this? Edit: I thought about this for three additional seconds and obviously there are more ways that could happen besides RAM-related corruption ![]()
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I just received an email announcing that dockerhub was compromised. Many NAS OSes use dockerhub to pull containers for custom services, so if you use Docker and Dockerhub now might be a good idea to make an additional backup.
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But my backups are done by a docker container! (Password changed as per email I recieved yesterday, although the most realistic attack I can see from this on users is someone adding something to a docker container as an "update")
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H110Hawk posted:It's my router, not my synology. I need to replace it but
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I ran the "get.docker.com | bash" nonsense not 24 hours ago on my Raspberry Pi. I remember thinking that anything official from Docker should be at least as safe as Raspbian's package repository, and "besides, if it gets owned it'll make the news." ![]() On the plus side, nobody with the resources to leverage stolen Docker build keys is likely to be wasting time with Raspbian or ARM in general ![]()
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Moving my total situation from a discombobulated Bulldozer with local drives and a dual xeon e5-2603v3 with a Dell MD1000 to a single 2603-V3 with some added NVMe. Should cut down on power and make things a little more manageable. Hopefully the arrays come along from Corral as I plan on upgrading in place. Cross your fingers.
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The most picky it should get is if it complains about not exporting the zpool first.
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I'm new to this and I'm looking to build something to run Open Media Vault - I think? It looks like that's the way I should be going. Can someone help me with the build I have below? Something tells me I should just scrap all of it and buy an appliance (a friend recommend Drobo), but here are my possibly stupid reasons for wanting something I have full control over and OpenMediaVault in particular: 1. I'm fairly comfortable with linux. I maintain a few .deb packages and debian-based distros are my go-to for machines where I care about stability. 2. I'll end up running a plex server off it if I have the computing power, so I don't need to turn on my Good Gaming Rig to watch my home movies 3. I have some home-automation ideas, I work as a software engineer at an IoT shop and I've been putting too many things on too many raspis. It would be nice to just start churning out docker images and having them live happily together 4. I need to be able to back up from macOS, Linux, and Windows I'm pretty sure in particular that CPU is overkill in both processing power and power consumption but I'm not sure where I should be going instead, especially when it's so cheap to buy. I've been looking at board with integrated Atom processors, but I'm quite attached to that case and finding a good mini-ITX combo is difficult. It's my understanding I don't need to worry about any sort of hardware raid with OMV -- right? Thank you for any and all suggestions! PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel - Celeron G4900 3.1 GHz Dual-Core Processor ($56.50 @ Walmart) CPU Cooler: be quiet! - Pure Rock Slim 35.14 CFM CPU Cooler ($29.88 @ OutletPC) Motherboard: ASRock - H370M-ITX/ac Mini ITX LGA1151 Motherboard ($108.88 @ SuperBiiz) Memory: G.Skill - Aegis 8 GB (1 x 8 GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($34.99 @ Newegg) Storage: SanDisk - SSD PLUS 120 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($27.95 @ Amazon) Storage: Western Digital - Red 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($123.72 @ Newegg) Storage: Western Digital - Red 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($123.72 @ Newegg) Storage: Western Digital - Red 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($123.72 @ Newegg) Case: Fractal Design - Node 304 Mini ITX Tower Case ($87.40 @ Newegg) Total: $716.76 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-04-28 20:47 EDT-0400
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IOwnCalculus posted:The most picky it should get is if it complains about not exporting the zpool first. Thanks IOC! Came home from dinner a little more lit than I was planning on so postponing for now but I feel better about it overall.
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For what it's worth, I did a fresh install of 11 after the Corral fiasco and brought in my pool with zero problems. Went really well, in fact. The only thing that was a little rough was converting back from a VM running Docker containers to running jails again.
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Someone on Macrumors is selling a Lacie Big 5 (empty, 5 bay Thunderbolt 2 storage unit) Any idea what they are worth? There's a beat up empty one on eBay for $225 or best with free shipping but that even sounds high.
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meinstein posted:I'm new to this and I'm looking to build something to run Open Media Vault - I think? It looks like that's the way I should be going. This looks like a good starter build for an OMV box. You won't need any hardware raid for it as you will be using mdadm for software raid. if you're going to run plex you might need a beefier cpu tho.
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meinstein posted:I'm new to this and I'm looking to build something to run Open Media Vault - I think? It looks like that's the way I should be going. Based on your background and what you intend, you can go OMV. However, I wonder if you'd be better stepping up a bit in CPU and putting ESXi or something on there to act as a hypervisor, then run OMV within one VM. Not so much that you need to, but more that I think you'll find yourself opting to later. Also, see the discussions about shucking (opening up) external harddrives to get cheap, large, internal drives. Might get you more space for your money. Looks good though, no problems I can see.
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meinstein posted:I'm new to this and I'm looking to build something to run Open Media Vault - I think? It looks like that's the way I should be going. You can step up the computing power with the same TDP by going Ryzen 3 2200G and an AMD mobo for not much more money if you just use the stock AMD cooler. I have never had an issue with noise from the Ryzen 5 2400G with a stock cooler in my NAS. This might help with plex. I did the 4gb red thing initially as well, if I went back now, I would've just bought 2 8gb externals and shucked them at the start. nerox fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Apr 29, 2019 |
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So, I'm ditching FreeNAS, going to try XigmaNAS, I'll let you know how it goes.
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Is it possible to remove a bunch of drives using ZFS from a FreeNAS system and expect them to be detected as ZFS pools/etc in Proxmox?
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Okay, fight does not go well in getting my pools migrated over to 11.x from Corral. Basically, I had a motherboard that was hosting a Dell MD1000 DAS enclosure that was its own pool with some NVMe cache. I've inserted that motherboard into the 2u chassis that was hosting 2 other pools with internal drives and some SATA cache. This is worrisome because it sees the pools that that particular hardware didn't create and has imported them successfully. It does not see the Pool in the MD1000 as available to import. ![]() It is showing the disks in the Disks/Import disk dialogue but no active pool with it. Is it safe/necessary to import the drives the pool is on in this instance since it's not auto-grabbing the whole pool? Based on the outputs I saw during install I thought it had seen it when it did its initial queries for pools and I didn't have to do it for the two others. Crunchy Black fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Apr 30, 2019 |
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Anyone have any thoughts? Going to try importing the disks tonight if I don't have any feedback saying, "wait, don't!"
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I'm wanting to get a NAS system to replace my current dual external backups. Right now I just copy between my desktop 1tb to 2 separate 5tb drives. I run ubuntu as my main system, and I just do an rsync to move things over. Thinking of getting a DS418play with 2 WD 8tb shucked drives in a SHR array. From there, I'd have 2 expansion bays for the future right? Just plug in the new drives and away it goes? My home consists of a little of everything. I mostly use the storage for video and backing up pictures/documents. I'd probably keep doing the USB sync for important things. I have a rpi running kodi, ipad that accesses w/ vlc, android phone, macbook and windows laptop. I'd like everything to be able to reach it, I assume just a SMB share works fine for that. Is there anything I'm missing? It seems like I'd just be sacrificing cost. I used to do freenas on zfs but my pools fucked up and I went to the 2 usb externals.. This was probably 10 years ago tho.
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Crunchy Black posted:Anyone have any thoughts? Going to try importing the disks tonight if I don't have any feedback saying, "wait, don't!" It should be safe to import them, which is what I did with mine.
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Odette posted:Is it possible to remove a bunch of drives using ZFS from a FreeNAS system and expect them to be detected as ZFS pools/etc in Proxmox? zpool export tank and zpool import tank should work fine assuming they're using similar or compliant versions of zfs. If they are, it'll work like a champ, if they aren't it'll complain that it doesn't understand the pool, or that the pool is using the wrong version and refuse to import.
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A 5TB WD Red in one of my pools faulted this morning with over a thousand write errors. I go to check the warranty status and... It expired one month ago. :/
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What's the warranty period on those things?
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I wouldn't be surprised, if you called Western Digital that they'd still honor the warranty, especially if it's that close.
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ufarn posted:What's the warranty period on those things? 3 years Broken Machine posted:I wouldn't be surprised, if you called Western Digital that they'd still honor the warranty, especially if it's that close. I'll try this when I've got the time and inclination to sit on hold for what I'm assuming will be one bajillion hours.
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Three years on WD Reds?! That sounds like an absurd warranty, especially for reds. Guess I'm reading the fine print next time I buy. E: That's apparently what IronWolf has, too. But still worth contacting them given how close you were to the expiration date. ufarn fucked around with this message at 15:29 on May 2, 2019 |
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