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spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.


Quick sanity check on this home NAS backup setup:

Synology DS214se 2-Bay NAS.
2 users
Shared docs (2GB) + photos (75GB) + music (200GB)

Everything on one internal HDD
Users access via mapped folders (Win 7)
Synology Time Backup to the second internal HDD (gives versioning)
Manual backup to a removable external HDD, on weekly basis using Synology Backup and Restore

Possibly Glacier backup, using Synology app

I haven't missed anything, have I?

EDIT: Just discovered that, unbelievably, Time Backup can't handle encrypted folders. So, I can use it for my photos, but not my docs.

spog fucked around with this message at 13:20 on Feb 23, 2015

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

I currently have a N40L running WHS2011 off a SSD (which helped quite a bit with performance btw) and a couple of WD greens (I know). It's a media server / backup machine on a GBE wired network, I really like it but it's just not quite powerful enough. I get a bit of stuttering when streaming 1080 video and can't use it to do much else when it's doing that. I think I'd like to upgrade to something with a bit more power.

I had been planning on getting a Gen8 microserver, but then saw this which seems like a good price, but I wonder if it's totally overkill?
Lenovo ThinkServer TD340 70B7 4 GB RAM 0 GB HDD 1.8 GHz Xeon - £314.99
http://www.ebuyer.com/647211-lenovo...-1-8-70b7001juk

Has anyone used one of these and how noisy is it? Ideally I'd like to keep it in my living room where the microserver currently lives. Also will I be able to reuse my WHS license on it?

SamDabbers
May 26, 2003



Fallen Rib

I have a TS440 which uses the same case and it's not very loud. It's also a big case with 120mm fans. The TD340 has a dual-socket motherboard, so yes, it's way overkill.

SamDabbers fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Feb 23, 2015

Longinus00
Dec 29, 2005
Ur-Quan

knox_harrington posted:

I currently have a N40L running WHS2011 off a SSD (which helped quite a bit with performance btw) and a couple of WD greens (I know). It's a media server / backup machine on a GBE wired network, I really like it but it's just not quite powerful enough. I get a bit of stuttering when streaming 1080 video and can't use it to do much else when it's doing that. I think I'd like to upgrade to something with a bit more power.

I had been planning on getting a Gen8 microserver, but then saw this which seems like a good price, but I wonder if it's totally overkill?
Lenovo ThinkServer TD340 70B7 4 GB RAM 0 GB HDD 1.8 GHz Xeon - £314.99
http://www.ebuyer.com/647211-lenovo...-1-8-70b7001juk

Has anyone used one of these and how noisy is it? Ideally I'd like to keep it in my living room where the microserver currently lives. Also will I be able to reuse my WHS license on it?

How in the world is streaming a 1080p video, or any video for that matter, causing performance issues? If you're transcoding then say so explicitly.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

Any do and don'ts on cleaning the fans or inside your NAS?

Got a Synology and a WD Mycloud EX4.
Oddly, the Synology say don't use compressed air from a can. I thought most people did that?

I'm quite a basic user but i'm sure the fan inside the Synology has a little goop in it. (1 year running it).

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY


the_lion posted:

Any do and don'ts on cleaning the fans or inside your NAS?

Got a Synology and a WD Mycloud EX4.
Oddly, the Synology say don't use compressed air from a can. I thought most people did that?

I'm quite a basic user but i'm sure the fan inside the Synology has a little goop in it. (1 year running it).

Don't use compressed air on fans unless you can keep the fan blades from moving. You run the risk of ruining the ball bearings by blowing through the fan with compressed air as you'll most likely make it run faster than they should and cause issues.

D. Ebdrup
Mar 13, 2009



A fan is also a motor-generator that can either be made to spin by giving it power or be made to give power by making it spin - and if you spin it too fast, you generate enough power to damage motherboard components.

knox_harrington
Feb 18, 2011

Running no point.

Longinus00 posted:

How in the world is streaming a 1080p video, or any video for that matter, causing performance issues? If you're transcoding then say so explicitly.

Maybe I am being retarded. Perhaps it's a duff video file? I had to copy it to the local computer in the end.


The spike in cpu use on the remote desktop is where a brief stutter happened. Not transcoding, it's a mp4 file playing through windows media player. The only things running on the server are plex media server, ubiquiti controller.

MasterOSkillio
Aug 27, 2003


Not sure if this is the right place for this but I think I am at least close. Basically I have a Moxi DVR (think less successful TiVo) It has an internal 500gb hard drive for video viewing, and supports satellite units for other rooms that run over your home network, as well as DLNA. I like it, it's great stuff. Only problem is with 4 satellite boxes all using one hard drive on the main unit to stream video it can get clunky and slow. I know SSDs are not an option they cause stuttering and caching issues, so I was trying to think of an other way I could improve video performance.

Does anyone know if there's a company that makes something similar to a NAS box that will instead of or in addition to a USB/network out, have a plane Jane sata out? The idea is I remove the hard drive from the DVR I have plug in a sata cable from the NAS box, and when the DVR boots back up is sees the NAS box RAID 5 as a normal hard drive.

an actual cat irl
Aug 29, 2004



One of the drives in my NAS (FreeNAS 8, RAIDZ2) has taken a shit and I'm shopping for a replacement. All my drives are Hitachi 2tb green drives, and I can no longer purchase the same model (in Canada, at least).

Am I safe to just go and buy any WD 2tb drive to replace it? I think my drives are 5400rpm, but would putting a 7200rpm drive in the mix cause issues?

thebigcow
Jan 3, 2001

Bully!

Zartans Lady Mask posted:

One of the drives in my NAS (FreeNAS 8, RAIDZ2) has taken a shit and I'm shopping for a replacement. All my drives are Hitachi 2tb green drives, and I can no longer purchase the same model (in Canada, at least).

Am I safe to just go and buy any WD 2tb drive to replace it? I think my drives are 5400rpm, but would putting a 7200rpm drive in the mix cause issues?

AFAIK as long as the new drive has at least as much space as the old one it should be fine. The problem you could run into is that WD's "2 TB" may not be as close to 2 TB as Hitachi's "2 TB" so you'll need to look up the actual number of sectors for both drives.

Then there is the whole mess with mixing advanced format drives in an array made for older drives.

thebigcow
Jan 3, 2001

Bully!

MasterOSkillio posted:

Not sure if this is the right place for this but I think I am at least close. Basically I have a Moxi DVR (think less successful TiVo) It has an internal 500gb hard drive for video viewing, and supports satellite units for other rooms that run over your home network, as well as DLNA. I like it, it's great stuff. Only problem is with 4 satellite boxes all using one hard drive on the main unit to stream video it can get clunky and slow. I know SSDs are not an option they cause stuttering and caching issues, so I was trying to think of an other way I could improve video performance.

Does anyone know if there's a company that makes something similar to a NAS box that will instead of or in addition to a USB/network out, have a plane Jane sata out? The idea is I remove the hard drive from the DVR I have plug in a sata cable from the NAS box, and when the DVR boots back up is sees the NAS box RAID 5 as a normal hard drive.

I don't know of anything that does what you are asking for.

Why would an SSD cause issues? I don't know of any single drive scenario where they aren't superior in every way except capacity.

Are you sure its the drive and not the network?

Do the satellite units work with anything else besides the Moxi DVR? Maybe its time to replace that entirely.

MasterOSkillio
Aug 27, 2003


thebigcow posted:

I don't know of anything that does what you are asking for.

Why would an SSD cause issues? I don't know of any single drive scenario where they aren't superior in every way except capacity.

Are you sure its the drive and not the network?

Do the satellite units work with anything else besides the Moxi DVR? Maybe its time to replace that entirely.


Other people on the AVS forums have tried them SSDs and end up with stuttering issues. Dang RAID available via network or usb but not a sata connection! Despite what I am asking for probably being within the realm of possibility, I doubted there was a product that did what I was looking for

It's not the network, everything is gigabit, and even on the main DVR that houses the hard drive, itself gets slow with too many people watching at once.


Unfortunately the satellites don't work with anything else, and had been great for watching things not only on TV but also from my plex server. If I got rid of the main unit it would mean investing in a new DVR system altogether which for the four room solution I have now would be more $$$ then I feel like paying. Maybe a really nice hard drive with low seek times, I hesitate to say 10k rpm because that would probably be much louder then I would want in my living room.

Fancy_Lad
May 15, 2003
Would you like to buy a monkey?

Can you use external USB drives with it?

Of course if it isn't USB3, you probably won't be able to stream multiple streams off an external either. Perhaps if you can pick and choose where things go and try to isolate content to the USB drive that would only ever be streamed by a single person?

Richard M Nixon
Apr 26, 2009

"The greatest honor history can bestow is the title of peacemaker."


I need help sorting out my home storage needs. I have a home media server that stores, obviously, media alongside important shit I want to keep safe from data loss. Right now I have 10TB of storage on a RAID 5 array of 6 x 2TB disks. I'm about to be out of space and adding another 2TB drive to the mix. I understand that the rebuilding that takes place when adding a new disk or failing over from a broken one can be trying on the HDDs and may cause an additional failure. I've been reading that, for that reason, RAID5 is no longer the suggested format for cost efficient protection.

I've been eyeing RAID6, RAID50, and I'm looking for input on those and other solutions.

In short, I want to make sure I can withstand at least one drive failure and I don't want to spend shittons of buying drives for full on RAID1. Performance isn't a huge deal as I'm usually accessing only one file at a time and only for media playback. Files are fairly large, either FLAC audio or big video files for the most part.

LRADIKAL
Jun 10, 2001

A Very Useful Person



Fun Shoe

I'm beginning to be strongly of the opinion that trying to data-loss proof your local data is a big waste of money and often futile. Seems like bulk data should be backed up to a cloud service. I certainly keep a relatively up to date copy of my boot drive, but how disappointed am I going to be if my big RAID array fails in a spectacular fashion and I lose everything?

MasterOSkillio
Aug 27, 2003


Fancy_Lad posted:

Can you use external USB drives with it?

Of course if it isn't USB3, you probably won't be able to stream multiple streams off an external either. Perhaps if you can pick and choose where things go and try to isolate content to the USB drive that would only ever be streamed by a single person?

Yes, but usb2.0. There's an esata port, but it's strangely utilized. The internal hard drive must be full before any external device would be used. Unfortunately that means the menu system, that would remain on the internal hard drive would continue to be slow. I might give this a try and see what happens, after I replace they internal hard drive with a better/faster one.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.


Jago posted:

I'm beginning to be strongly of the opinion that trying to data-loss proof your local data is a big waste of money and often futile. Seems like bulk data should be backed up to a cloud service. I certainly keep a relatively up to date copy of my boot drive, but how disappointed am I going to be if my big RAID array fails in a spectacular fashion and I lose everything?

Not sure I agree with you. It's fairly trivial to have two copies of your data locally and do it in a way that only a fire will destroy them both.

I do agree that a lot of people are using RAID as a form of backup, rather than considering it a way to minimise downtime in the event of a failure.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006



Jago posted:

I'm beginning to be strongly of the opinion that trying to data-loss proof your local data is a big waste of money and often futile. Seems like bulk data should be backed up to a cloud service. I certainly keep a relatively up to date copy of my boot drive, but how disappointed am I going to be if my big RAID array fails in a spectacular fashion and I lose everything?

I strongly disagree with this attitude, but I admit that rolling your own robust solutions is not for everyone.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

Thanks for the advice on cleaning the NAS guys!

Jago posted:

I'm beginning to be strongly of the opinion that trying to data-loss proof your local data is a big waste of money and often futile. Seems like bulk data should be backed up to a cloud service. I certainly keep a relatively up to date copy of my boot drive, but how disappointed am I going to be if my big RAID array fails in a spectacular fashion and I lose everything?

I'm realising this now. Where were you 5-6 years ago? I now have a box of hard drives under my desk from 2007 to now.

Do cloud services reassure you they use crc or md5 or reliable storage though? I've wondered for a while but never looked into it.

If I didn't make so much data every day, (anywhere between 1gb - 500gb of video / design files) and Australia having bad internet I'd be using the cloud more instead of cherry picking the "important right now" files.

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell



Jago posted:

I'm beginning to be strongly of the opinion that trying to data-loss proof your local data is a big waste of money and often futile. Seems like bulk data should be backed up to a cloud service. I certainly keep a relatively up to date copy of my boot drive, but how disappointed am I going to be if my big RAID array fails in a spectacular fashion and I lose everything?

No one can "data-loss proof" their data locally, all they can do is minimize down time. That's the whole point of a NAS or whatever in addition to remote backup.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006



the_lion posted:

Thanks for the advice on cleaning the NAS guys!


I'm realising this now. Where were you 5-6 years ago? I now have a box of hard drives under my desk from 2007 to now.

Do cloud services reassure you they use crc or md5 or reliable storage though? I've wondered for a while but never looked into it.

If I didn't make so much data every day, (anywhere between 1gb - 500gb of video / design files) and Australia having bad internet I'd be using the cloud more instead of cherry picking the "important right now" files.

I'm curious what you think CRC or MD5 is going to do to help you if one of your files is damaged somehow.

sleepy gary
Jan 11, 2006



Thermopyle posted:

No one can "data-loss proof" their data locally, all they can do is minimize down time. That's the whole point of a NAS or whatever in addition to remote backup.

You can data-loss proof your data locally against almost every failure mode, to be fair. And it's really not that hard or costly, depending on the specifics of the situation.

I am not saying to not have offsite backups, for anyone who wants to read too far into the statements above.

If you're making 500GB per day on average, then WELP. That's gonna get expensive.

sleepy gary fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Feb 24, 2015

Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell



DNova posted:

You can data-loss proof your data locally against almost every failure mode, to be fair. And it's really not that hard or costly, depending on the specifics of the situation.

I am not saying to not have offsite backups, for anyone who wants to read too far into the statements above.

Ok, well amend my statement to "Almost no one does".

SHIT POST MALONE
Feb 4, 2005

I was born down. You know this.


I have a Synology ds411+ with four of these drives in it. Two of these drives are listed as "abnormal" in the DSM control panel and the software is recommending replacement.

I could just order two additional drives since they're only $70, but is there any way I could replace the drives with a bigger model? I currently have all four drives striped together as one volume and no redundancy. (Which I presume means replacing these drives is going to take a crap-ton of data ferrying?)

Thoughts? Advice?

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

Bless You Ants, Blants



Fun Shoe

Define "striped together"? If you're using SHR (Synology Hybrid RAID) then you can pop a disk out, put a bigger one in and let the array rebuild. Repeat this for all the failing disks and then you will be able to expand the array at the end of the process.

Longinus00
Dec 29, 2005
Ur-Quan

knox_harrington posted:

Maybe I am being retarded. Perhaps it's a duff video file? I had to copy it to the local computer in the end.


The spike in cpu use on the remote desktop is where a brief stutter happened. Not transcoding, it's a mp4 file playing through windows media player. The only things running on the server are plex media server, ubiquiti controller.

Serving files one at a time and at low speeds is something that can be reliably done with a raspberry pi, which is possibly orders of magnitude slower than your current HP machine. Before you go blow money on a new machine, I'd invest time into trying to figure out why your current machine performs so poorly. For instance, figure out what's causing that CPU spike.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

DNova posted:

I'm curious what you think CRC or MD5 is going to do to help you if one of your files is damaged somehow.

I'm still keeping my local data on drives. At least I'd know if they were damaged on the cloud, I guess and reupload if I had to.
64GB is roughly around 12-20 minutes worth of 1920x1080 footage in RAW format.

To be fair, some of it is data of done jobs or stuff I come back to needing it later.
Some jobs have been done for 4-6 months, I just remove.

I'd love not to have the box of HDs though.

DrDork
Dec 29, 2003
commanding officer of the Army of Dorkness

the_lion posted:

I'd love not to have the box of HDs though.

Then stop making/keeping so much data! Seriously, though, if you can easily burn through a few TB a week and need to retain things for months, your options are basically build a massive server that'll run you several thousands of dollars (if you produce even just 1TB/wk and need to retain for 6 months, that's 24 TB of usable space, which using something like RAIDZ2 would require 8 x 4TB drives at a cost of about $1200 for the drives alone, but would let you lose up to 2 out of those 8 drives), or keep a box of HDDs and hope they don't die.

Cloud backup is obviously laughable if you're producing that much data, especially if you're on a metered connection like you probably are. Off-site is still viable through the time-tested method of mailing drives to someone else, but then you have to balance the extra cost of all those drives against how much it would hurt to lose them if your house got overrun by radioactive giant spiders and had to be cleansed by fire.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey...

DrDork posted:

Then stop making/keeping so much data! Seriously, though, if you can easily burn through a few TB a week and need to retain things for months, your options are basically build a massive server that'll run you several thousands of dollars (if you produce even just 1TB/wk and need to retain for 6 months, that's 24 TB of usable space, which using something like RAIDZ2 would require 8 x 4TB drives at a cost of about $1200 for the drives alone, but would let you lose up to 2 out of those 8 drives), or keep a box of HDDs and hope they don't die.

Cloud backup is obviously laughable if you're producing that much data, especially if you're on a metered connection like you probably are. Off-site is still viable through the time-tested method of mailing drives to someone else, but then you have to balance the extra cost of all those drives against how much it would hurt to lose them if your house got overrun by radioactive giant spiders and had to be cleansed by fire.

Yeah, i'm in the process of setting up my second large NAS for this now.
I'm hoping I get bitten by the radioactive spiders. Worked great for Peter Parker...

eddiewalker
Apr 28, 2004


I've had xpenology 4.X running happily on an N54L for a while and haven't wanted to disrupt it.

I'd like to use the new Plex interface on Roku, but it requires an updated server, which won't run without updating my NAS to DSM 5.x

The xpenology forums are nearly unreadable, but it seems that the project has changed hands a few times. Is this going to be as simple as putting "XPEnoboot" on my boot USB stick, then using the Synology Assistant to install DSM 5.1 on my existing volume without losing data?

Nothing is really irreplaceable, but I'd like to do this right and not lose 10tb.

Generic Monk
Oct 31, 2011



Any idea how I can access the web interfacess of plugins in freenas jails through their hostnames? I can connect through their IPs and my router can see their hostnames but for some reason it can't resolve the two? What's the most convenient way to make this happen?

thebigcow
Jan 3, 2001

Bully!

Generic Monk posted:

Any idea how I can access the web interfacess of plugins in freenas jails through their hostnames? I can connect through their IPs and my router can see their hostnames but for some reason it can't resolve the two? What's the most convenient way to make this happen?

Fix your router or get a real DNS server.

edit: is your computer using the router for DNS?

Longinus00
Dec 29, 2005
Ur-Quan

thebigcow posted:

Fix your router or get a real DNS server.

edit: is your computer using the router for DNS?

Alternatively get mDNS working and just use that. https://wiki.freebsd.org/MulticastDNS

Generic Monk
Oct 31, 2011



thebigcow posted:

Fix your router or get a real DNS server.

edit: is your computer using the router for DNS?

I can connect to the freenas webui through the hostname just fine, it's just the jails that I'm having trouble with - ergo there's something in there that's preventing me from connecting to them. See: my router settings page vs chrome.





I've been getting around entering strings of numbers every time I want to configure something (and to provide some measure of remote access) by setting up DDNS then forwarding ports to the jail IPs which seems a) insecure af and b) kind of messy since I think the jails like to change their MAC addresses every so often which messes up the DHCP IP assignments. I'd like to replace that shitty setup with hostnames and a VPN for remote access but the hostnames don't work. None of the freenas tutorials mention this, which seems like kind of an oversight considering without hostnames the only sure fire way to connect is to look up the IP in your router settings then connect directly to it (since static IP assignments don't play well with other computers being on DHCP, and DHCP reservations aren't reliable if the MAC address keeps changing.)

Generic Monk fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Feb 25, 2015

Desuwa
Jun 2, 2011

I'm telling my mommy. That pubbie doesn't do video games right!

Generic Monk posted:

I can connect to the freenas webui through the hostname just fine, it's just the jails that I'm having trouble with - ergo there's something in there that's preventing me from connecting to them. See: my router settings page vs chrome.

Assuming you're on Windows, go into a console and try nslookup <host> (ping -4 <host> if it fails due to using IPv6) and seeing what those names resolve to.

For my setup I've forced my desktop to use my router for DNS and specified some DNS entries on the router, but it's a low-end ISP provided modem/router that doesn't do NAT reflection. That worked for me with a separate IP for each jail, but I ended up just setting up packet filter to NAT and redirect traffic to the jails because my router wasn't smart enough to understand single machines with multiple IPs and I ran into issues.

It might be as simple as clearing your DNS cache or telling your computer to only use your router for DNS. Though if you're doing this you'll want to manually set whatever DNS servers you wanted to use in your router's configuration. As a last resort you can manually enter them into your hosts file.

Generic Monk
Oct 31, 2011



Desuwa posted:

Assuming you're on Windows, go into a console and try nslookup <host> (ping -4 <host> if it fails due to using IPv6) and seeing what those names resolve to.

For my setup I've forced my desktop to use my router for DNS and specified some DNS entries on the router, but it's a low-end ISP provided modem/router that doesn't do NAT reflection. That worked for me with a separate IP for each jail, but I ended up just setting up packet filter to NAT and redirect traffic to the jails because my router wasn't smart enough to understand single machines with multiple IPs and I ran into issues.

It might be as simple as clearing your DNS cache or telling your computer to only use your router for DNS. Though if you're doing this you'll want to manually set whatever DNS servers you wanted to use in your router's configuration. As a last resort you can manually enter them into your hosts file.

Used the 'jls' command to get the hostnames of the jails in freenas:


Looked it up and it resolved to the correct IP but trying to ping the hostname failed; pinging the IP was predictably fine. What could be causing this?


I have an Asus RT-AC66U - not enterprise grade but not bog standard either.

Generic Monk fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Feb 25, 2015

necrobobsledder
Mar 21, 2005
Lay down your soul to the gods rock 'n roll

Nap Ghost

NetBIOS screwups I figure since you're on Windows. Also, nslookup does an actual DNS lookup while ping may reference, say, your /etc/hosts file. Just plug it into your hosts file and move on.

Generic Monk
Oct 31, 2011



necrobobsledder posted:

NetBIOS screwups I figure since you're on Windows. Also, nslookup does an actual DNS lookup while ping may reference, say, your /etc/hosts file. Just plug it into your hosts file and move on.

Was about to post a pithy reply but I finally got it to resolve on iphone/ipad (my router wasn't set as the DNS server in the network settings, oops!) while windows still shits the bed. Irritating but probably able to be worked around I guess.

Generic Monk fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Feb 25, 2015

Krailor
Nov 2, 2001
I'm only pretending to care

Taco Defender

eddiewalker posted:

I've had xpenology 4.X running happily on an N54L for a while and haven't wanted to disrupt it.

I'd like to use the new Plex interface on Roku, but it requires an updated server, which won't run without updating my NAS to DSM 5.x

The xpenology forums are nearly unreadable, but it seems that the project has changed hands a few times. Is this going to be as simple as putting "XPEnoboot" on my boot USB stick, then using the Synology Assistant to install DSM 5.1 on my existing volume without losing data?

Nothing is really irreplaceable, but I'd like to do this right and not lose 10tb.

I just updated my N54L to 5.1 using XPEnoboot last weekend and it was that easy. The only scary part is that the first time you boot up after you've upgraded to 5.1 and applied Update 2 it will look like there are no drives present in your box. Just stay calm and reboot again and they will re-appear with all of your data intact.

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