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Sheep posted:Is there any modern analogue to the HP Proliant N54L that won't break the bank? I just need something in a compact chassis that will hold 4/5 drives and supports ECC RAM. Internal USB slot for me to throw the OS on is a plus but alternatively a 5th drive slot for an SSD or NVMe drive or whatever would work too but not essential. Dell T20/T30 or Lenovo TS140 would suit your needs but I don't think they're available new anymore. They were very cheap (~$250) at one point, perhaps you can find a used deal, or maybe the MicroServer Gen10?
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eames posted:MicroServer Gen10? They ruined these. AMD SoC and no iLo. Gen8 + cpu upgrade (with some mini fans on the heatsink) seems like a not terrible idea.
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Yeah sounds like mini ITX build might be the way to go. Aside from scrounging about pcpartpicker anyone have any suggestions? Wasn't there some site like homeservers.com or whatever where people posted their non-gaming builds? Not looking forward to having to figure out which version of 8 million variations on the same Supermicro board makes the most sense ![]()
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Moey posted:They ruined these. AMD SoC and no iLo. Gen8 + cpu upgrade (with some mini fans on the heatsink) seems like a not terrible idea. I had a look but trying to find something with ECC in the microserver size but it looks kind of tough. Most of the small NAS hardware is aimed at low power usage with less server features.
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Hey guys can someone help?caberham posted:Hello I would like to ask a question about safe data backups. Sheep posted:Yeah sounds like mini ITX build might be the way to go. Aside from scrounging about pcpartpicker anyone have any suggestions? Wasn't there some site like homeservers.com or whatever where people posted their non-gaming builds? Maybe the pc parts thread can help?
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Something like a Xeon-D 1541 (supermicro x10sdv) would be the bees knees.
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Moey posted:They ruined these. AMD SoC and no iLo. Gen8 + cpu upgrade (with some mini fans on the heatsink) seems like a not terrible idea. You can get away with just the stock heatsink for most CPU upgrades in the Gen8 MS, barring the top end Xeons. The holy grail is the E3-1265L V2, which has a TDP just a few W higher than the stock Celeron, but gives you 2x core/4x threads. I've got one in mine, works great. Happily chugs along even at 35C+ ambient out in the garage during the summer.
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Sheep posted:Is there any modern analogue to the HP Proliant N54L that won't break the bank? I really wonder if there is a resale market for these things for this reason. Its almost like the market for mini servers evaporated when all of the cloud bullshit became popular. I actually have a 54L still new in box with an extra stick of ecc ram and an intel NIC (again both sealed and unused). Ill probably end up putting them on Craigslist / offerup to see if there is any interest in these old servers.
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NAS appliances like Synology or QNAP have kind of taken over that segment. They're easier to setup and understand for consumers. Virtualization (Docker and full VMs) made it so there are very few things you can't do on them unless you need a lot of computing power/ECC or have other relatively niche requirements, at which point a "full sized" server often makes more sense.
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Bonobos posted:I really wonder if there is a resale market for these things for this reason. Its almost like the market for mini servers evaporated when all of the cloud bullshit became popular. I actually have a 54L still new in box with an extra stick of ecc ram and an intel NIC (again both sealed and unused). Ill probably end up putting them on Craigslist / offerup to see if there is any interest in these old servers. If I saw one for like $100 I'd snap it up in a heartbeat, depends what you're asking. Could probably weasel another 50 out of me for one still in the box. Unfortunately at this point that Turion processor and the 8GB RAM max (among other things with the BIOS) are really holding it back but it'd still make a solid fileserver if you aren't doing anything demanding with the processor.
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Sheep posted:If I saw one for like $100 I'd snap it up in a heartbeat, depends what you're asking. Could probably weasel another 50 out of me for one still in the box. Yeah Id thought to sell it here on the forums but shipping will probably be expensive. If you have one of these you know the server in box isnt all that tiny. Im in Los Angeles and local pickup is probably easier but I may do an SA post this weekend in case there is a niche market for these things. I was going to use this thing for a small server a few years ago, but never did. And now I dont know how well these perform with freenas and the like. Heck Ive even thought about using it for an old windows gaming pc for early 2000 games but I dont think HP has drivers for windows 98se or xp.
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The question is, why go for a storage device when you can buy a cheap E3-2650 v2 or similar server with a ton of RAM and then virtualize FreeNAS, UnRAID, WS2016, or whatever? Even the virt software is free.
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I run mine with LUKS on a RAID array serving files via SMB and it's workable. This is also one of the two nodes on my Infiniband network. If you keep in mind you only have two cores and plan your workloads accordingly it works surprisingly well even today.
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bobfather posted:The question is, why go for a storage device when you can buy a cheap E3-2650 v2 or similar server with a ton of RAM and then virtualize FreeNAS, UnRAID, WS2016, or whatever? Even the virt software is free. Power costs, but if you don't care about that then hell yes.
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caberham posted:Hey guys can someone help? I've heard buzz about Cryptomator, which mounts as a virtual drive. If you point it at your cloud-sync folder, anything you put into the virtual drive is encrypted. Pro, it means everything that's synced to the cloud is encrypted; con, you're unable to access your cloud files without the Cryptomator software (or mobile apps) installed.
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spincube posted:I've heard buzz about Cryptomator, which mounts as a virtual drive. If you point it at your cloud-sync folder, anything you put into the virtual drive is encrypted. Pro, it means everything that's synced to the cloud is encrypted; con, you're unable to access your cloud files without the Cryptomator software (or mobile apps) installed. Ive used Cryptomator for a while to encrypt documents. It works very, very well. Basically I keep my documents unencrypted on my home server and have a daily FreeFileSync job move over any new files to the Cryptomator volume. Cryptomator then automatically encrypts those and the Dropbox client detects those changes and uploads them to the cloud. I can then use Crytomator on my phone to grab a document I need.
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bobfather posted:The question is, why go for a storage device when you can buy a cheap E3-2650 v2 or similar server with a ton of RAM and then virtualize FreeNAS, UnRAID, WS2016, or whatever? Even the virt software is free. for most people reading this it is a no-brainer but many (most) just want a box they can plug in according to the instruction pamphlet and drag files to. If you look at QNAPs latest NAS you'll see that they've come quite a long way from the 800 MHz dualcore ARM boxes they used to be, although the price is way too high for consumers (~2k): https://www.qnap.com/en-us/product/.../specs/hardware 6 Core i5-8400 16GB RAM 10GbE + Thunderbolt 3 + USB 3.1gen2 8 bays 2 NVMe slots 1 PCIe slot with double height for GPU passthrough to VM 1 HDMI 2.0 4k@60Hz iGPU for passthrough to VM I wonder if some of these features will trickle down to more affordable devices in the future.
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Bonobos posted:I’m in Los Angeles and local pickup is probably easier but I may do an SA post this weekend in case there is a niche market for these things. I tried to PM you, but I have an n36l that I'd planned to upgrade and this would be perfect. I'm in LA too so I could meet wherever!
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bobfather posted:The question is, why go for a storage device when you can buy a cheap E3-2650 v2 or similar server with a ton of RAM and then virtualize FreeNAS, UnRAID, WS2016, or whatever? Even the virt software is free. I have a 1.7GHz dual core arm 2 bay. That just sits in the lounge and uses about 10-20W. Once the initial set up is done then you just add the apps that you want to use for media, downloads, file syncing, VPN, proxy, docker, etc. https://www.qnap.com/en-us/app_center/ For what I do they are a nice easy low power solution. They also have all the benefits of having ios and android apps. Which is useful for reading graphic novels or books directly from the server, streaming media and so on. The QNAP is the only server that I have on all the time.
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bobfather posted:The question is, why go for a storage device when you can buy a cheap E3-2650 v2 or similar server with a ton of RAM and then virtualize FreeNAS, UnRAID, WS2016, or whatever? Even the virt software is free. Also size. A 4-bay Synology/QNAP with a NUC double side taped to the side wins on space. Even mini it still seems huge.
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JBark posted:You can get away with just the stock heatsink for most CPU upgrades in the Gen8 MS, barring the top end Xeons. The holy grail is the E3-1265L V2, which has a TDP just a few W higher than the stock Celeron, but gives you 2x core/4x threads. I've got one in mine, works great. Happily chugs along even at 35C+ ambient out in the garage during the summer. Which model Gen8 do you have, or does it even matter? I'm seriously considering getting a Gen10 since literally all I need is more cores/CPU speed and I'm not super concerned about lacking iLO or anything.
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In case anybody missed it Toshiba's got 12 and 14TB NAS drives now, and the 14s are cheaper than Seagate's offering. Amazon's got them for $529. Still too rich for my blood, but a positive sign.
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G-Prime posted:In case anybody missed it Toshiba's got 12 and 14TB NAS drives now, and the 14s are cheaper than Seagate's offering. Amazon's got them for $529. Still too rich for my blood, but a positive sign. Yeah I just saw this. Pretty nuts. There has to be a breaking point right? I'm ready for the minidisc to come back with 50 TB.
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Custom server hardware is fun, but sometimes you just want a sleek box, and the sleek boxes are actually catching up in terms of capability and UI. I have netflix and spotify, which has reduced my need to add new stuff to my PLEX library. Speaking of computer janitor work with servers and what not, do you guys implement active directory with folder redirection so that your computers are separated to your NAS? I suppose cloud backup made desktop computing more convenient, but in my head there's something nice to A) not paying 3rd party B) have all settings synced, like download folders, wallpapers, etc C) makes replacing gaming computers easier bobfather posted:Ive used Cryptomator for a while to encrypt documents. It works very, very well. Basically I keep my documents unencrypted on my home server and have a daily FreeFileSync job move over any new files to the Cryptomator volume. Cryptomator then automatically encrypts those and the Dropbox client detects those changes and uploads them to the cloud. I can then use Crytomator on my phone to grab a document I need. Hey thanks man!
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caberham posted:Speaking of computer janitor work with servers and what not, do you guys implement active directory with folder redirection so that your computers are separated to your NAS? I suppose cloud backup made desktop computing more convenient, but in my head there's something nice to Where is your off site copy if you aren't paying someone?
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H110Hawk posted:Where is your off site copy if you aren't paying someone? Mom's house or some other physical location connected through VPN. But yeah, Im still gonna pay for google cloud storage or amazon glacier for peace of mind
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Minty Swagger posted:I tried to PM you, but I have an n36l that I'd planned to upgrade and this would be perfect. I'm in LA too so I could meet wherever! Sure, don't have PMs but feel free to email me at herrkora AT hotmail DOT com if you are interested.
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caberham posted:Speaking of computer janitor work with servers and what not, do you guys implement active directory with folder redirection so that your computers are separated to your NAS? I suppose cloud backup made desktop computing more convenient, but in my head there's something nice to I deal with folder redirection and roaming profiles significantly more than your average IT guy and am generally a proponent, but no, not for your use case. Cloud apps that sync docs for user files. Profiled themselves, not worth it for any type of gaming configs. If you're running a LAN Cafe or something, which is crazy in 2018, there are better approaches. But for home use? No, no way is it worth the trouble.
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Yeah, I'm just dealing with Group Policy right now, and what a pain in the butt to automap a networked drive for all users and all. I will just stick with a user home directory in the NAS and call it the day. Maybe I can just add site to site VPN to pool my 2 sister's home and my mom's house to a NAS - not necessarily for the storage because cloud storage is relatively cheap, but as a central repository to archive and tag all the extended family videos and vacation photos (even this might turn into a head ache but hey I'm back in computer janitor mode) As a amateur hobby photographer who uses lightroom, I already have 4TB worth of photos because of stupid DSLRs and nowadays with drones/gopro/gimbal video the storage can get out of hand - hence dealing with a NAS. caberham fucked around with this message at 09:53 on Dec 8, 2018 |
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caberham posted:I will just stick with a user home directory in the NAS and call it the day. Maybe I can just add site to site VPN to pool my 2 sister's home and my mom's house to a NAS Remember that you are increasing the number of people who could get 100% of your files cryptolockered by directly connecting your networks. This includes all people who happen to join their wifi networks, etc.
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Bonobos posted:Sure, don't have PMs but feel free to email me at herrkora AT hotmail DOT com if you are interested. Done! I'm the Gmail that emailed around 9:17 am this morning.
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So, Ive got a client who is looking to have a better local backup option than the 1TB WD MyBook from 2010 for their 3-4 PCs. I was thinking of a NAS w 2x 4TB for RAID 1 action. Unfortunately Im pretty ignorant and the OP is a decade old (damn!). Their needs are pretty basic, and Ill get them to online backups soon enough but wanted something on-site for ease of access, etc. Like I mentioned, I dont know about NASes so I wouldnt mind an option that holds my hand. Would something like this MyCloud be a viable option? https://www.bestbuy.com/site/wd-my-...p?skuId=5990201 Im guessing theyd have WD Blues based on what Im reading the last couple of pages. These folks dont need top of the line, but is this a big faux pas? Should I go for a BYOHDD device and use Reds instead? I saw a good deal on the MyCloud recently so I thought it would be a good compromise for price, performance, and ease of use. Software-wise, I had them pick up Acronis because Ive had good experiences with it and there was a great deal for Black Friday. Boywhiz88 fucked around with this message at 13:21 on Dec 9, 2018 |
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Boywhiz88 posted:So, I’ve got a client who is looking to have a better local backup option than the 1TB WD MyBook from 2010 for their 3-4 PCs. I was thinking of a NAS w 2x 4TB for RAID 1 action. Unfortunately I’m pretty ignorant and the OP is a decade old (damn!). Snag a 2 Bay synology, toss in the two disks, then upload it to something off-site. If they are paying for something like Google/Microsoft drive they might have space there you could use cheaply, otherwise I've been happy with backblaze B2.
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H110Hawk posted:Snag a 2 Bay synology, toss in the two disks, then upload it to something off-site. If they are paying for something like Google/Microsoft drive they might have space there you could use cheaply, otherwise I've been happy with backblaze B2. Yeah pretty much this. The synology devices have certain apps that allow you to run scheduled backups as well so you dont have to worry. H110Hawk posted:Remember that you are increasing the number of people who could get 100% of your files cryptolockered by directly connecting your networks. This includes all people who happen to join their wifi networks, etc. ![]() I will do this in phases and try out the synology gear in my mom's house, once Im comfortable to that I will move to a site to site Qotom pfsense
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caberham posted:
As someone who loathes computer janitorial work this all sounds like my waking nightmare. It's amazing how many checkboxes you're hitting on my neckbeard overdone home network bingo card. ![]() Vlans won't save you if you want them to have cifs access. Otherwise, how would cifs work? Phases delay the risk but do not mitigate it. What makes it safer? B2 with versioning enabled?
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Sheep posted:Which model Gen8 do you have, or does it even matter? There was only one model of the Gen8 Microsever, just a few different CPU/memory options. Biggest problem these days is actually finding decent CPUs, since Ivy Bridge came out a long time ago. They pop up on eBay, but all the good ones command a really high price premium these days, and something like that E3-1265L V2 will likely cost as much/more than a used G8 MS. If you don't need iLO or anything like that, then there's really no reason to go with the G8.
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Sheep posted:Unfortunately at this point that Turion processor and the 8GB RAM max (among other things with the BIOS) are really holding it back but it'd still make a solid fileserver if you aren't doing anything demanding with the processor. If you are talking about the N54L (I think you are) it supports 16GB RAM if you buy the right sticks. Mine is still running strong with 16GB.
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H110Hawk posted:As someone who loathes computer janitorial work this all sounds like my waking nightmare. It's amazing how many checkboxes you're hitting on my neckbeard overdone home network bingo card. Yeah I'm so fucking boned, crypto jacking is the new Pozzing
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caberham posted:Yeah I'm so fucking boned, crypto jacking is the new Pozzing
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D. Ebdrup posted:Get a filesystem that supports atomic reverse-delta byte-level snapshots and have a automated and programmable way of making and checking that they work. I have no idea what all those combined words mean, just poz jack my NAD plz
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